Talk:Muhammad X of Granada

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. and also moved to Abu Abd Allah Muhammad ibn Uthman per discussed. – robertsky (talk) 19:07, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

• Muhammad XI of Granada → Muhammad X of Granada
• Muhammad XII of Granada → Muhammad XI of Granada
• Muhammad XIII of Granada → Muhammad XII of Granada
• Muhammad X of Granada → Abu 'Abd Allah Muhammad b. 'UthmanAbu 'Abd Allah Muhammad b. 'Uthman

– Traditionally, historians have identified Abu 'Abd Allah Muhammad b. 'Uthman, as Muhammad X. This assessment was based on Castilian chronicles which identified him only as el Cojo ("the Lame One"). However, following publication of a new Nasrid-era Arabic source, Ibn c Āṣim's Junnat al-Rida, it has been shown that he was actually Yusuf b. Ahmad ruling as Yusuf V. This means that Muhammad XI, XII, and XIII need to be renamed/renumbered. Most 21st century sources have adopted the new numbering. See for example:

• Mediano, F. (2010). "The post-Almohad dynasties in al-Andalus and the Maghrib (seventh–ninth/thirteenth–fifteenth centuries)". The New Cambridge History of Islam. Vol. 4. Cambridge University Press.
• O'Callaghan, Joseph F. (2014). The last crusade in the West: Castile and the conquest of Granada. Middle Ages series (1st ed.). Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press. ISBN 978-0-8122-4587-5.
• Vidal Castro, Francisco. "Yusuf V". Real Academia de la Historia. Glendoremus (talk) 20:31, 4 March 2026 (UTC)— Relisting. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:49, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

I support the move; it makes sense since; some recent works use Muhammad XI to refer to Boabdil. However, the Nasrid dynasty tree needs a careful review after the recent modifications. I have a very detailed family tree but in Arabic that can help to double-check the lineage. RiadS99 (talk) 19:26, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

The nomination is very confusing. I understand that you are saying that the Castilian el Cojo is Yusuf not Muhammad, but who then is Abu 'Abd Allah Muhammad b. 'Uthman? In any case, you cannot just move Muhammad XI to Muhammad X of Granada, since that is a page with a substantial history that cannot be perfunctorily deleted. Srnec (talk) 21:26, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

Until nom clarifies the request, I've relisted early with Muhammad X of Granada → ? so the RM banner stays there for seven days. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:49, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks relisting and adding the additional renaming. As noted earlier, I propose:

• Muhammad X of Granada → Abu 'Abd Allah Muhammad b. 'Uthman

Glendoremus (talk) 20:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

It is a bit confusing. Historians, including Rachele Arie, posited that Abu 'Abd Allah Muhammad b. 'Uthman was an Emir reigning in the 1440s, hence the regnal name Muhammad X. The publication of this new Nasrid-era Arabic source made it clear that he was not an Emir. Contemporary chronicles never used the numbering system Muhammad IX, X, XI, etc. That was added by later historians. So when it was shown that Muhammad b. Uthman was not an Emir, historians chose to renumber the Muhammads rather than leave a gap. I originally thought we should just delete the page Muhammad X and rename Muhammad XI into that space. But maybe it makes more sense to rename the page to Abu 'Abd Allah Muhammad b. 'Uthman to keep the history (although I would not characterize it as substantial).

x Glendoremus (talk) 20:27, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

• Support, but should be Abu Abd Allah Muhammad ibn Uthman per MOS:AR. Srnec (talk) 21:10, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

  Thanks. Agree with your point on naming per MOS. Glendoremus (talk) 22:28, 14 March 2026 (UTC)