This article should not be speedy deleted as being recently created, having no relevant page history and duplicating an existing English Wikipedia topic, because:
- not only has it just gone through the WP:AFC process and deserves more of a chance than a speedy, but it obviously adds significant (if somewhat waffling) content and a lot of references that are not in the very short, two sentence article on Forest bathing. The Nom is completely wrong to apply WP:CSD A10, as this criterion clearly states: This does not include split pages or any article that expands or reorganizes an existing one or that contains referenced, mergeable material. Even if this went to WP:AFD, I predict that the outcome would most definitely be to merge, not to delete. -Nick Moyes (talk) 01:56, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- I do not think the AfC reviewer thought to look under such an odd existing article name; if they had, they surely would have directed the creator to add content there. The other article was here first and was also over-elaborated (see this version) like this one is. They are the same thing (each citing the Japanese term Shinrin-yoku for example), with different names -- the notion that spending time in the forest is therapeutic. (there is also, oddly, Draft:Prairie Bathing) There is content here that could be added there. but the correct answer here is A10. The other answer I would be fine with would be re-draftifying this, now that the creator knows the other article exists. Jytdog (talk) 02:03, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- User:MatthewVanitas, were you aware of Forest bathing, and if not, would you please "unaccept" this? Jytdog (talk) 02:07, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- Hello Jytdog, I was not aware of that other article since it's not an intuitive term to compare. I'm not familiar with any "unaccept" mechanism, though I suppose one could just use Page Move to move it back to Draft namespace. I do think this version has some valid content, and I'll live it to others to conclude whether they should be merged, and if so under what name, etc. I would submit that straight deletion would not be desirable, compared to re-draftification or userification since the page does have useful content that shouldn't just disappear. MatthewVanitas (talk) 02:39, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- User:MatthewVanitas, Yes, the non-drama thing to do, would just be to "unaccept", aka redraftify. Everybody goofs, and undoing a mistake is a normal thing. :) I would not object to that, at all. It was only 2 hours ago or so, after all. Jytdog (talk) 02:47, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- Have merged Forest bathing here.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 07:13, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello. I am the founder of the Association of Nature and Forest Therapy Guides and Programs (www.nftg.org). I've studied forest therapy all over the world, and have met with many researchers, guides, and practitioners. I am the primary author of the Scope of Practice and Professional Standards used to train and certifiy forest therapist guides. My organization has trained over 700 guides in 45 countries on six continents, and will train another 300+ in 2019. I am author of "Your Guide to Forest Bathing," and several of the other books on this topic have been written by colleagues who I know personally and whose work I admire very much (for example, Dr. Qing Li at Tokyo University; Dr. Miyazaki at Chiba University). Since the original article was removed and merged into "Nature Therapy" there have been many developments in this field. If I may, I suggest that my expertise on this subject may justify my having some seniority of standing in this discussion. My perspective is (in part): Forest Therapy, Forest Bathing, Shinrin-Yoku, and Sami Lok, are terms that are used interchangeably. However, the practices they denote vary slightly to moderately depending upon culture. For example, in Japan guides give more emphasis to imparting information about scientific studies suggesting there are benefits to being in the forest; in the United States guides tend to give less importance to giving information and focus more on sensory experiences. The essential shape of the practices are similar. I know this from direct experience, having guided and been guided in many countries by guides trained by various schools. It does seem to me that "forest therapy" is evolving toward use in situations where a health care professional has prescribed or suggested the practice, and where it is guided by a qualified, trained guide; and "forest bathing" increasingly denotes when the practice is done by an individual or group, and may or may not be guided, but is not connected to a health care diagnosis. One of the comments above suggests that "it is not an intuitive term," which I think is correct but in a temporary sense. We might have said the same thing about "yoga" 30 or 40 years ago. In the past year the term "forest bathing" in particular appears to have taken hold in the public mind, with no fewer than eight books released in 2018 with "forest bathing" "shinrin yoku" and/or "forest therapy" in the title. My opinion is that it is entirely unjust and mistaken to subsume these under the topic of "nature therapy." Here is an equivalent case: in psychotherapy there are many schools and approaches. Wikipedia has separate articles for quite a few of these. Gestalt Therapy, Depth Psychology, and Object Relations Theory (the three that I randomly checked) each have quite robust individual pages. To apply the same logic that has been applied here, they would all be merged under "psychotherapy" and the content for each greatly reduced, thus rendering them virtually useless to those who seek information about them via Wikipedia. I do agree that the scientific evidence is in early stages of development, but I don't see why that would result in not honoring the validity of the work in progress. I would very much like to see this topic re-established and turned over to those who have actual expertise on the matter. Thank you for your consideration, and I'm happy to stay in the discussion if there are any questions I can answer or clarification I can provide.Amos Clifford (talk) 00:45, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- From my point of view, forest bathing is just nonsense, and deserves the coverage in our project that it currently has, and no more. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 19:00, 6 February 2019 (UTC)-Roxy, the dog. wooF 19:00, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
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