Talk:Ottawa
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Ottawa is currently a Places good article nominee. Nominated by Kwkintegrator (talk) at 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) An editor has indicated a willingness to review the article in accordance with the good article criteria and will decide whether or not to list it as a good article. Comments are welcome from any editor who has not nominated or contributed significantly to this article. This review will be closed by the first reviewer. To add comments to this review, click discuss review and then edit the page.
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"Cedardale, Ottawa" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect Cedardale, Ottawa has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31 § Cedardale, Ottawa until a consensus is reached. Cremastra (talk) 21:19, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
"Woodridge, Ottawa River, Canada" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect Woodridge, Ottawa River, Canada has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31 § Woodridge, Ottawa River, Canada until a consensus is reached. Cremastra (talk) 21:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Climate
I have removed the Central Experimental Farm climate data chart from the article for the following reasons.
• There is already a climate data chart for the readings at the airport. Most cities only provide one chart (Montreal, Vancouver, etc.) and it is most often from the airport.
• The climate data from the Central Experimental Farm is an anomaly. It is essentially fields in the centre of the city. They do not absorb heat in the same fashion as the rest of the city and it is not an accurate representation of the city’s climate. 2605:8D80:5A2:4D7D:E403:44C1:85FF:42EA (talk) 13:59, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
Time for another GA nomination?
My last nomination (this article's 2nd) was rejected a few years ago, but I still believe this article probably meets GA nomination standards. I want to gauge if anyone actively involved in the page has opinions on whether it should be attempted again. Kwkintegrator (talk) 20:48, 5 February 2026 (UTC)
- What's changed since it failed last? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:47, 6 February 2026 (UTC)
- Great question @Nikkimaria. I was of the opinion it was GA quality back then, but since then:
- 1) Climate section has been pulled out from geography
- 2) Demographics and arts/culture sections have been buffed
- 3) Many more images added
- So there have been some changes but not a huge overhaul. Citation quantity remains dense, but I haven't been yet able to revisit citation quality, since it feels like it would be premature to go through 200+ citations if there wasn't already buy-in among the people who know this page to pursue a nomination. Kwkintegrator (talk) 20:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
- Sourcing and source-text integrity were raised as issues in the previous review, so those are definitely things that would need reviewing before renomination. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:22, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria. I've now had the chance to go through the entire page, including going into every citation, trimming uncited claims, and improving source-text agreement. Can't promise perfect, and may have missed a citation or two over the stretch of a couple hundred, but will possibly pursue a GAN in the next day or three. If you have an inclination to glance over and see if it feels good article-ish to you, please feel free to give any thoughts and I can do a deeper dive. Kwkintegrator (talk) 05:13, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
- The collapsible MP/MPP lists appear to be broken - not sure the intent of 'display:none', but it means they don't display even when clicked.
- I think there have probably been happenings since 2019 that would warrant inclusion in History, and that the emphasis on transit in the final History section as it stands is probably excessive.
- Some of the claims in the lead don't appear to be reflected in the body text - eg 11 million visitors. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:40, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
- Appreciate it, will do my best to address these. Kwkintegrator (talk) 22:21, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria.... If you think this is up to par for a review and you're willing to do it I'll jump in and help where i can. I happen to be in Ottawa for a month hosting a library conference (at the city archives) thus have access to tons of sources if need be. Moxy🍁 01:49, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
- Hello @Moxy, I actually submitted a GA nomination earlier today. Thanks for the recent edit. If you have feedback, happy to hear it, I am also based in Ottawa and am happy to be pointed to places where the article is on the weaker end and improve. Kwkintegrator (talk) 02:01, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria.... If you think this is up to par for a review and you're willing to do it I'll jump in and help where i can. I happen to be in Ottawa for a month hosting a library conference (at the city archives) thus have access to tons of sources if need be. Moxy🍁 01:49, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
- Appreciate it, will do my best to address these. Kwkintegrator (talk) 22:21, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria. I've now had the chance to go through the entire page, including going into every citation, trimming uncited claims, and improving source-text agreement. Can't promise perfect, and may have missed a citation or two over the stretch of a couple hundred, but will possibly pursue a GAN in the next day or three. If you have an inclination to glance over and see if it feels good article-ish to you, please feel free to give any thoughts and I can do a deeper dive. Kwkintegrator (talk) 05:13, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
- Sourcing and source-text integrity were raised as issues in the previous review, so those are definitely things that would need reviewing before renomination. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:22, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
GA review
- This review is transcluded from Talk:Ottawa/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Kwkintegrator (talk · contribs) 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
Reviewer: ZKevinTheCat (talk · contribs) 06:00, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
- @ZKevinTheCat. This approach should work well. Pinging to notify you that the infobox section has been improved, with a few explanatory notes in red. Kwkintegrator (talk) 00:47, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
Excited to start the GA review. Some comments before we begin:
This is a pretty hefty article so I'll split up my notes into different sections. I'll put my concerns in a bulleted list, and when you adress a concern it'll be easier for me to keep track if you either strike them or color them (it can be whatever color as long as its easily visible; see more color templates here), although you can use a different method if you prefer.
I've seen that you've has some troubles with this article in the past, mostly concerning sourcing. Because of this, I'll be checking the sources for this article more thoroughly than a typical GA review to ensure these problems are fixed. Hopefully through the recent work you've done though, there should be much fewer issues.
I wish you luck on finally getting this done. I also see that this would be you're first GA if passed, which is a big accomplishment, and especially so for an article of this caliber.
- ZKevinTheCat
Infobox
You should use the native name template to add the Algonquin and French names to the infobox. (see Venice to see an example).The sources for the Bytown nickname do not support the claim. The encylopedia never mentions a nickname, and the Metro source seems to be some sort of broken link. It might be a problem with my browser, but any link to the Metro website is completely broken. The archived link only saved the first page, where there is no mention of "Bytown". The second page might contain that information but I am unable to access it. A better source for this is needed.
Could not find relevant sources for Bytown, and even the O-Town element seems weak, but there is a citation there.
In the "established" section, there is sources for two of the dates but not the third. You should either add a source for the third date or remove the source for the first and second dates. The information in this box is already present in the rest of the article with sources, so removing them shouldn't be an issue.
Decided to keep
Source [7] defaults to cities in Newfoundland and Labrador. You should change the link so it defaults to Ontario instead so people don't have to search for the Ottawa data.
Did you one better, they now all should link to a listing of either Ottawa-Gatineau, or Ottawa, as applicable
You should use the 2022 numbers in source [12]
Done. Incidentally, to better agree with the rest of the article, I've aligned the statistical use with the municipality of Ottawa, rather than both Ottawa and Gatineau
There is no source for the GDP per capita information
Added Statistics Canada data from the same year, but the per capita calculation was manual. I think it fits Wikipedia:No original research as it counts as a routine calculation
Note:It occurred to me seeing your comments that I had forgotten to go over the infobox, thanks for starting there. I have also made one other change, which was to term the amalgamation a "Metropolitan" amalgamation, as there were previous amalgamations in the past.
History
The etymology section is fine, and I'll leave the lead for last.
A few to start with:
Source [30] states that the first evidence of human habitation in the area was from lance heads likely from 8500-8000 years ago, not 6000-8500 years ago. It also doesn't say that these lance heads (there is no mention of pottery or arrowheads from this time) were even that old, only that they were similar to others heads of that age. I would rewrite this and the following few sentences as:Lance heads likely from 8000 to 8500 years ago are some of the first known human artifacts from the valley. The area around Ottawa has been continuously inhabited for at least the last 3000 years, serving as a major trade and pottery hub.[30]
I also found this source documenting (briefly) some history of the algonquins on page 6 (it seems reliable to me, it was written with the help of two PhD holders). You could add the sentence:The Algonquin tribe arrived in the area about 500 years ago
after the previous two.Source [31] should be removed. It contains essentially the same information as [30] but is much lower quality.The sentence about which tribes are related to the algonquins is unnecessary. That's what blue links are for.
Concur with these recommendations. Didn't implement the suggested added citation as it seems like it is based on oral hsitory alone, isn't universally accepted even within the community and the academic record itself is disputed. Also, I did rework the language that you suggested, divided the claims as suggested to add clarity and specificity to each. Didn't use the term lance heads as I feel like to the layman, lance head implies a medieval lance used with a horse, and used spearhead instead, as the work also uses that term.
@ZKevinTheCat concerns addressed Kwkintegrator (talk) 18:10, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
Sorry for the late update, I was sick the last few days. Continuing:
Elaborate on "land speculation". Does this mean people were buying and/or developing land?The date for the establishment of Bytown is inconsistent (1827 in text Vs. 1826 in infobox).Remove "entire" inwho was responsible for the entire Rideau Waterway construction project
. It feels a bit loaded.- Remove "historically"
- Pushing back here. Not sure that it still holds true, but was certainly historically true. Could switch to an "in early Ottawa", but that feels clunkier.
- The Bytown page (and other sources I've found) claim(s) that the city was actually incorporated in 1850, not 1855, although others do say 1855. A bit confusing, but I suspect the 1850 date might be the correct one.
- Sleuthing, seems incorporation and renaming were at slightly different times. Should be broad harmony in the article now.
- The last paragraph in the European exploration and early development should be reformated. The Stony Monday Riot should be removed to the Capital Selection section, and you should combine the first sentence with the information about the Shiners' war, since they go hand in hand.
- Great recommendation, should be resolved now.
- It's mentioned that the timber industry was a major drive for Ottawa's early economy but it is not really mentioned beyond one sentence in the 2nd paragraph and another time in the Post-Confederation section. Firstly, the Ottawa River timber trade page mentions how it was a large factor in driving up the city's population in the 19th century, which is not stated in the article. Secondly, the information about the trade in the Post-Confederation section is out of place and should be removed from the section, as it seems the timber trade was more relevant in the city's early history.
- Resolved. The subsidiary article on the Ottawa lumber trade makes it pretty clear the industry was huge, so stole a book citation from there, even though I can't verify myself, as the book is not digitally available.
Hello @ZKevinTheCat, hope you are better. Faced some business travel that impeded me working on this last weekend and will revisit on this coming Saturday. Just wanted to keep you in the loop Kwkintegrator (talk) 01:02, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
- Hello @ZKevinTheCat, a little late, but things should mostly be resolved. Crossed out the simple pieces, and put some annotations for the rest. Kwkintegrator (talk) 17:25, 17 March 2026 (UTC)




