Talk:Seven Sleepers
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300 - 309 years
Qur'an said it was 300 plus 9 years they were sleeping. If they slept in cave in Decius reign around 250 CE and woke up 10 478 CE, it only took about 228 years. Anybody ever read qur'an
- Yes, but you'll note the section where it gives that reference is under the heading "the Legend" and also makes a reference to the Sleepers being accused of "Christianity". Perhaps you should create a seperate section to retell the Qur'an's account? 69.153.15.61 20:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- Primarily the story is of uttermost significance as it marks a convergence of Islam, Christianity and Judaism; and in a way not implicitly conflicting. It is a tale of a miraculous account, at first sight; but it seems that a rational explanation may be the point. Allthough the rational explanation, which I believe is the message of the Qur'an and Muhammad's account, which makes one of the proofs for his prophetic status, regarded as such by the Medinaian Jews, and, subsequently, the representatives of the Meccan tribes. It is a most radical and unbelievable explanation. There is allready a strong notion relating to the 300 Solar years/309 Lunar years, hinting to the story as rather allegorical concerning the question of calendars, accounts of time, and fundamentally the forces of historyfalsification (especially within the Roman empire). It may very well be that Muhammad (PBUH) and some of his followers did ally with Jews/Nazarean Jews (e.g. christian jews) on the question regarding to what extent the falsly christianized Roman Empire did manipulate the history of the Empire since the revolutionary times of Catalina and Ceasar. Mohammad's stand in regard of calendars, this device of historiography as well as communal advent, is provably of pivotal concern for Muhammad. This is most obvious with how he dismisses the practice of embolismatic months, i.e. the Metonic cycle; and how the Hijri-calendar's seven day week negotiates between the conflicting Parthian-Sassanid (Zoroastrian) and Julian applications of the perpetual seven-day week. It may be that the Jews/Nazareens of Medina had calculated that 300/309 years had vanished over time; summoning a rememberance of the opressed pre-Muhammadan muslim lineage, the people of the (platonic) cave, or even of Ephesus representing the primary church in the symbolic imagery of the Apocalypse of Saint John. Historically Ephesus being the mother synagogue of the nazareans, after the Jewish diaspora, also further related to the story of St. John bringing Mother St. Mary to Ephesus, the previous main centre for mother-virgin (Artemis) worship in the Hellenic world. My point here is simply that what is signified by these years in the Qur'anic text, or in the Golden Legend, may very well not be empirical years, but referential to the ability, possibility and factuality of time being an instrument of fabrication, for those powerful enough. --Xact (talk) 22:42, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
The legend predates Islam, and should be reflected in the article 95.149.54.29 (talk) 11:33, 17 May 2015 (UTC)