Talk:Skrull

Sorry to bother, but...I find the Chitauri reference to be really out of place. Chitauri are not shapeshifters, they have different social organization, they have different shape (rectilians, it's clearly told in the book). Only common point is that Chitauri are called "Skrull" somewhere in the Ultimate universe, but I don't see a reason for this to be an indication they are a different version of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.184.45.195 (talk) 08:45, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

How about splitting the Chitauri into their own Wikipedia page. 173.57.37.132 (talk) 05:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC)Anonymous173.57.37.132 (talk) 05:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. The Chitauri are not Skrulls. Indeed the article itself reflects the distinction: "Skrulls dislike being confused with the Chitauri, whom they call terrorists." - Jack Sebastian (talk) 22:28, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Apparently, some people think the Chitauri are Skrulls. Perhaps they should post their viewpoints here, instead of simply reverting. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 02:08, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

BUT, they are the mainstream Ultimate Marvel, Chitauri=Skrull, so the whole Classic Skrull stuff with the Four is in another dimension. (02:49, 9 May 2012 (UTC)) (JoeLoeb (talk) 02:49, 9 May 2012 (UTC))

I am sorry, but the Ultimate Universe is not the mainstream Marvel universe. Of course, if you think you can cite that, please feel free to do so. Additionally, look at the text itself: "Skrulls dislike being confused with the Chitauri, whom they call terrorists." They aren't the same animal. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 03:19, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I have read the Ultimate Marvel timeline since I was 17, and I know that the Skrulls (FROM THE ALTERNATE DIMENSION, discovered by Reed, are different THE Ultimate Marvel U, Chitauri). Look the encounter with the Skrulls with Kl'rt was in an alternate universe. Here's a link: ^[1]. (JoeLoeb (talk) 03:33, 9 May 2012 (UTC))

Here, another link, ^[2] Where Thor is President. (JoeLoeb (talk) 03:38, 9 May 2012 (UTC))

Let me save us a lot of time, Joe. According to the wikia you are utilizing for your arguments (and I'll address that particular source in a moment), the Chitauri are the "rough" equivalent to the Skrulls in Earth-1610 - the Marvel Ultimate Universe. There, and ONLY there (not even the one where Thor is President). If you want to connect the dots to draw that conclusion you can do so. All you have to do is to find a reliable source that does this.

Now, on to the usage of wikias for your arguments. You shouldn't use them. We cannot cite them within articles, as they are not reliable, notable or particularly verifiable. For that reason, you shouldn't use them in your arguments here.

Now, I am going to point out that you are currently adding a lot of unsupported information to the article, and you have exceeded 3RR. I think you should self-revert and continue discussing your viewpoint here in discussion. If not, I am concerned that you will be blocked for edit-warring. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 03:54, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

So what now? Tell me. (JoeLoeb (talk) 04:00, 9 May 2012 (UTC))

The solution is somewhat simple, Joe:

1. To begin with, I think that the bits that discuss the Marvel Ultimate universe wherein the Skrulls are confused with Chitauri should stay.
2. The parts discussing them in the Avengers film need to go. Not once in the entire film is the word 'Skrull' ever mentioned in that film, and it is clearly not set in the Marvel Ultimate universe. Indeed, the Chitauri from the film are nothing like the Skrulls displayed in virtually every incarnation of the species.
3. The part of about the Skrull appearing in a cameo role in Planet Hulk should go if we cannot find reliable citation by someone noting a Skrull there. Seriously, our deductions and knowledge of the larger Marvel universe (such as occurred here) cannot be used in the article. We are not notable sources (ior, we cannot be cited).

In effect, most of this can get fixed if you self-revert, keeping the bits about the Ultimate Avengers and Fantastic Four animation films. I'm still very much concerned about you having made several edits over 3RR; you need to stop doing that.

Fans of the Avengers film are going to be looking for information about the Chitauri, so somewhere on Wikipedia there should be some information about them. I am not involved with this article enough to have a viewpoint about where that information should go, but there NEEDS to be information about the Chitauri and their presence in the film either in this article or in their own separate article. If Chitauri is split into a separate article it would obviously link to this page, so there shouldn't be confusion. Kurt Parker (talk) 14:02, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

There should be an article about the Chitauri; it just shouldn't be this one. They are a distinctly separate species:

So, we have one of the makers of the film explicitly telling us they are not the same. It's seems fairly cut and dried to me. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 16:45, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

If we do it, make it seperate, I could do it, add sources, etc. Is it okay to do it?? (JoeLoeb (talk) 16:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC))

I think Jack's discussion/reference is fairly definitive, so the Chitauri should be a separate article than the Skrulls. And to Joe I say: Go for it! Make the article. Kurt Parker (talk) 17:17, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Man, I hate creating a whole page, but I will do it!! but I think I messed up on the name, since I redriected it twice to Skrulls, darn it. (JoeLoeb (talk) 17:45, 9 May 2012 (UTC))

I did it!! Any clean up with the article named CHITAURI, not Skrull can be very appreciated. (JoeLoeb (talk) 18:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC))

The page is protected. I came very close to blocking several people for edit warring. Please find a consensus on the talk page please. - jc37 05:43, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

The biography and description appear almost entirely cobbled-together from comic appearances on an assumption of a completely consistent continuity and backstory - but such a high degree of continuity (rather than, e.g., a writer writing whatever happens to work in the story that month) has not been evidenced. Is there anything like an official sourcebook setting this stuff out? - David Gerard (talk) 10:04, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

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