Is this serious? 3 book sources casually calling Miller a "white nationalist" and it can go in the lede? These sources are the opinions of authors rather than that of a major newspaper or similar. Miller is quite literally Jewish – a famous target of white nationalists. aesurias (ping me in your reply, or I won't see it) (talk) 10:35, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
- Aesurias, Mr. Miller's BLP attracts controversy. This topic has been discussed at length and resolved. It's not Wikipedia's place to reject academic publishing. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:27, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
- I think the sources are incredibly weak, @ElijahPepe made some good points in the discussion linked as well. The primary issue here though, aside from the fact that the sources are poor, is that he is not white. ?!!?! aesurias (ping me in your reply, or I won't see it) (talk) 23:08, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
- Just to be clear, it is both possible for someone of color to be white nationalist or supremacist and for someone of color to advocate for policies that are white nationalist or supremacist. The article states Miller is in the latter, but the citations actually point to the former. My point still stands that I have yet to see definitive descriptors that Miller is a white nationalist or that his policies are white nationalist, and it is strange that there would be limited mentions of that in academic sources and practically no mentions in newspapers. That would suggest that it isn't a widespread view, but I'll wait for others to weigh in before I conclusively say that. Miller's apparent white nationalism is not something I encountered in my research—whether that's because I was taking a biographical approach or because it isn't there—but again, I haven't looked into that extensively. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:51, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
- I agree. Newspaper sources are always preferred and if he truly was, the media would love to report on it. Of course the media would report on a white nationalist who infiltrated Trump's inner circle (because it's happened before).
- I see many newspaper sources calling him racist, because of his border policies, but I don't see anything about white nationalist. I think the supporting evidence is incredibly weak/ aesurias (ping me in your reply, or I won't see it) (talk) 00:05, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
- Aesurias, please review WP:Reliable sources, and look at WP:SOURCETYPES. We cannot operate under your false assumption:
Newspaper sources are always preferred
. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:13, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
- ElijahPepe, to state the obvious, the primary source for this biography is Hatemonger: Stephen Miller, Donald Trump, and the White Nationalist Agenda. Apel, Kivisto, Ratskoff appear to have been deliberately chosen because they satisfy WP:RS. Five minutes in Google will find plenty of newspapers: Washington Post opinion, Guardian, AP via LA Times, NYT, NYTimes opinion. Newspapers are not preferred sources especially for citing a difficult term. -SusanLesch (talk)
- Opinion articles are certainly not acceptable in a BLP, let alone to prove such a claim. The Guardian is direct, but the Associated Press only says he "promoted white nationalist literature". I suppose that's fine. The New York Times is hesitant to call him a white nationalist; it says he has "familiarity with white nationalist thinking". I do believe anything as overt as an article saying "the white nationalist Stephen Miller" is going to largely come from sources that skew left. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:46, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
- You sidestepped our sources. Per WP:RS:
When available, academic and peer-reviewed publications, scholarly monographs, and textbooks are usually the most reliable sources.
I hope we agree newspapers are not the best sources. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:44, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
- ^^^^^ If Miller were really a white nationalist (or, I should say, if he were really considered a white nationalist), this would be easier to satisfy...I struggle to see how we are meant to take this seriously when a cited work starts off with the words Hatemonger: Stephen Miller. This truly is one of the worst BLPs I've ever read, and I am a liberal! aesurias (ping me in your reply, or I won't see it) (talk) 20:45, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
- and yes..he is a hatemonger, but could we not just have a semblance of neutrality? aesurias (ping me in your reply, or I won't see it) (talk) 20:51, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
- Guerrero's book has been discussed before. The title is unfortunate, but the information is highly accurate. There are very few sections of the book that I would even describe as partisan, and for the purposes of the article, it is used to substantiate some of Miller's background. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:33, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
- Aesurias, Ms. Guerrero is not a source for the term "white nationalist". -SusanLesch (talk) 23:54, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
From Google AI, here are the sources cited in this article to support the term "white nationalist". Repeated here for our archive. Additional information is provided by Bobfrombrockley here. I added a quote to our citations per WP:BLPRS to help prevent future misunderstandings.
Aesurias, sounds like you need help reconciling Mr. Miller being a Jew and a white nationalist. You might read Prof./Dr. Ratskoff. His paper is in JSTOR, free in the Wikipedia Library. The other two are books that can be very costly and hard to find.
- Apel, Dora (2021). "Chapter 1: The Migrant Image". In Harris, Jonathan (ed.). Terrorism and the Arts: Practices and Critiques in Contemporary Cultural Production. Routledge. ISBN 978-0-367-74117-4. Dora Apel wrote a chapter in Terrorism and the Arts: Practices and Critiques in Contemporary Cultural Productiosn, published by Routledge in 2021, and considered an academic, scholarly work. It is part of the "Routledge Research in Art and Politics" series, which typically features peer-reviewed, specialized academic monographs and edited volumes.
Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller, Trump’s white nationalist advisers, shaped this speech, and, despite Bannon’s departure from the administration, Miller continues to shape immigrant policy
- Kivisto, Peter (2021). "Chapter 12: Immigration workplace raids and the politics of cruelty: the case of Postville, Iowa". In Webster, Leanne; Tazreiter, Claudia (eds.). Handbook of Migration and Global Justice. Edward Elgar Publishing. ISBN 978-1-78990-565-6. Peter Kivisto wrote a chapter in the Handbook of Migration and Global Justice, a peer-reviewed academic resource.
Coming to the immigration question with a visceral hostility, Trump’s policies have been shaped by his influential white nationalist aide Stephen Miller
- Ratskoff, Ben (2020). "'Improbable Spectacles': White Supremacy, Christian Hegemony, and the Dark Side of the Judenfrage". Studies in American Jewish Literature. 39: 17–43. doi:10.5325/studamerjewilite.39.1.0017. JSTOR 10.5325/studamerjewilite.39.1.0017. Ben Ratskoff wrote a paper in Studies in American Jewish Literature, a peer-reviewed academic journal published by Penn State University Press. It is a respected scholarly publication dedicated to analyzing the place of Jews and Jewishness in American literature.
At the same time, Trump’s coalition of advisors and allies assembles a sup- posedly motley crew of neoconservative Jews, evangelical Christians, and alt-right sympathizers—not to mention the perceived anomaly of white nationalist Jews like Stephen Miller.
-SusanLesch (talk) 20:23, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
- I have less than zero faith in the sources prevented – it may have made it worse. Kivisto and Apel are both well known socialist academics. That isn't to say that their viewpoint is immediately wrong because of their political views but are we seriously using their writings to claim a Jewish man is a "white supremacist" in the lede? The only remotely respectable name here is Ratskoff, and even then, the quote used acknowledges the fact that this is merely "perceived" and an inherent anomaly... aesurias (ping me in your reply, or I won't see it) (talk) 20:30, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
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