Talk:2015 Trollhättan school attack

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Given the recent RFC about WP:NOYEAR, I don't find much weight in the oppose arguments for the year, and there are also more support arguments. If people want to further discuss stabbing versus attack, a new RM for that may be opened at any time, given that this discussion was primarily about the date. (closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 02:42, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

Trollhättan school attack → 2015 Trollhättan school attack – This is a small event and should have the year so its easier to identify, also it is a mass stabbing. Militant.Insurgency (talk) 10:32, 16 June 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 05:00, 24 June 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs|in solidarity}} 08:15, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose year per WP:OVERPRECISION. Not ambiguous with any other Trollhättan school incident so year is unnecessary and might imply something similar happened in some other year. Also WP:CONSISTENT with Kuopio school stabbing, Örebro school shooting, Kuopio school stabbing. No opinion on "attack" vs "stabbing". Station1 (talk) 18:52, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

• Support per nom and WP:NOYEAR. The year is included by default per the naming guidelines and is only excluded if the event is especially well known. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:15, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

  The first sentence of NOYEAR, which is only a guideline, says "Some articles do not need a year when, in historic perspective, the event is easily described without it. As this is a judgement call, please discuss it with other editors if there is disagreement." This event is easily described without the year. Station1 (talk) 19:37, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

  Would you expect the average person to know what this is? No, so it is not described "in historic perspective"; in historic perspective is not any event ever. We had an RfC about this quite recently! PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:42, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

  Per policy, I would expect "someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area" to know what it is. Station1 (talk) 19:48, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

  Yes, and that is not the case here. There are thousands of notable crimes of this type, this is not one especially well known to those familiar with the "crime" subject area; this isn't even the biggest or most notable in Sweden. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:03, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

  WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, and this event is at least as well known and notable as the Örebro school shooting AFeatherlessBipehead (talk) 13:27, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

  WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:33, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

  yeah? that's what I said? XD

  (btw WP:JUSTAPOLICY) AFeatherlessBipehead (talk) 12:27, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

  What bout the "stabbing" part? AFeatherlessBipehead (talk) 13:38, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

  I don't care either way. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:33, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose no need for DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:53, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

  @Crouch, Swale This isn't a disamb? PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:01, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

  The year being added would suggest there are others. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:03, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

  @Crouch, Swale No, it doesn't? It's there for the same reason the location is there; the year is there by default, see the RfC on it. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:04, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NCWWW which states that most articles should say when, where, and what as the year is a useful identifier. The article being made more in-line with naming guidelines is not against WP:CONSISTENT, as the mentioned articles are also not in-line with naming guidelines. It is also not WP:OVERPRECISION or unnecessary disambiguation, as for the low, low cost of four characters you can provide so much context by simply placing the event in time. Disambiguation would be to add a month or day to the title. Raskuly 🐰 01:01, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

  What bout the "stabbing" part? AFeatherlessBipehead (talk) 13:38, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

  I'm fine with either stabbing or attack, both are pretty commonly used. Raskuly 🐰 18:39, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose "stabbing" per WP:COMMONNAME, this attack has been referred to as the "Trollhättan school attack" significantly more than "Trollhättan school stabbing", so the title should be either "Trollhättan school attack" or "2015 Trollhättan school attack" AFeatherlessBipehead (talk) 13:20, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

I am fine with either "attack" or "stabbing" Militant.Insurgency (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Would you mind changing the propose to "2015 Trollhättan school attack"? everyone else seems to only be concerned over the 2015 date thingy so could we only discuss that for now? AFeatherlessBipehead (talk) 18:07, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Of course! Militant.Insurgency (talk) 18:08, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! AFeatherlessBipehead (talk) 18:49, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Support. While this event is infamous enough from a Swedish perspective to be immediately identifiable without the year, that cannot be said for most of our readers, and thus should have a year in the title per WP:NCWWW. It should be noted a discussion at that talk page of that guideline ended with a consensus to not change this naming convention to stop giving guidance to include the year in situations where it is not needed for disambiguation, and it's quite frankly getting a bit tiresome to see the matter being locally relitigated in nearly every move discussion of this kind, often to the point of warranting a relisting. That shouldn't be the case when the guideline says most events should be titled according to WP:NCWWW. ⹃Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley${\displaystyle \lor }$investigateᛅ} 19:03, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

Even if the guideline says most events should be titled with a year, and even if that weren't contrary to policy, that tells us nothing about any one particular event, which the guideline says is a judgment call to be discussed when there is disagreement. Station1 (talk) 05:54, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

I would say that the event can easily be described without the year as it isn't ambiguous or generic and out of the 19 projects with pages on it only 1 (Eswiki) includes the year (though they could be following Sv and us). I would say that the rule of normally adding a year if it is intended to apply to cases like this is unnecessary disambiguation and any guideline that encorages that tends to end up with problems. With generic events like elections that can't really be described without the year then I agree it should be included but when it comes down to shootings the common name is unlikely to include the year, do people really call the Dunblane massacre the "1996 Dunblane massacre"? I think not, people and sources would normally only include a year if ambiguous or otherwise for context (but with the latter wouldn't be part of the common name). Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:40, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

@Crouch, Swale This is not a disambiguation. That doesn't even factor in. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:07, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

Support; year necessary for identification purposes. Hotrodguy84 (talk) 06:27, 2 July 2026 (UTC)