Talk:Ustaše

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Hello, i'm a new user, i want to stating this, which the Ustaše site on its religion category is wrong. It stated Islam as 2nd religion, when in fact Ustaše is staunch and solely Catholic organization, could you or any editors edit it, or should i edit it?

I hope we could go through this to improve the site, Thank you!. Andridefian0 (talk) 08:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

I've replied above. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

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@Peacemaker67: I feel that, in a quasi-protectorate puppet state established by Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, the "quasi-protectorate" bit is unnecessary. "Puppet state" is a perfectly accurate description and there's no need to be more specific than that in the lead section. Having three links next to each other like this is inelegant and potentially confusing, and "quasi" linking to quasi-state is a WP:EGG.

Is "quasi-protectorate" even correct? It implies that the NDH was not a protectorate, just something resembling one. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:16, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

Yes, quasi-protectorate is exactly what Tomasevich calls it, and he examines it in great detail. Puppet state has a wide range of meanings. I would drop puppet state from the formulation if your consider it inelegant. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:32, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

If you want to pedantically stick to what Tomasevich says, it's "quasi protectorate" (no hyphen), and he never indicates that the "quasi" stands for "quasi-state"; presumably "quasi protectorate" means "something resembling (while not being) a protectorate", as that is how the word "quasi" is typically used. Skimming Tomasevich, he never seems to elaborate on what exactly the "quasi" in "quasi protectorate" means – in what way does he think the NDH was not a protectorate?

As far as I know, "puppet state" has only one widely-accepted meaning, and it is an accurate descriptor for the NDH; RS describing it as such abound. "Protectorate" implies a degree of internal autonomy the NDH did not have.

The main NDH article uses all three terms spread over the article's first two sentences to precisely characterize the NDH. Here, we only need a brief, easily understandable summary of what it was.--Un assiolo (talk) 17:12, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

And note that the sentence in question doesn't even cite Tomasevich. --Un assiolo (talk) 18:28, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

It appears to have been all three. A quasi-state that was a protectorate of Fascist Italy and a puppet state of Nazi Germany. OyMosby (talk) 15:13, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

I capitulate on "puppet state" vs "quasi-protectorate". I would just like to know why the entire sentence was reworded with unnecessary details and a redudant second sentence added. What's wrong with the Ustaše came to power with the Independent State of Croatia (NDH), a quasi-protectorate established by Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.? Un assiolo (talk) 16:28, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

The entire sentence was reworded so it reflects what is in the source. The additional sentence is NOT redundant, it explains the balance between Italian and German influence over time, and is critical to an understanding of the NDH. To NOT mention in the lead that the NDH only existed due to the two Axis powers would give the impression the NDH somehow had a separate or independent basis for its creation and continued existence, which it did not. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:16, 16 May 2026 (UTC)