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On 15 November 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Alkaline water. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Bicarbonate

Since this has come up a few times - adding bicarbonate to water does make it Alkaline. That is not what a Water ionizer is doing. Studies of bicarbonate additives to water are misplaced on this page, which is about machines that purportedly ionize water through electrolysis. MrOllie (talk) 16:49, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Pseudoscience

Sketchbuild, I urge you to stop edit warring to remove descriptions of the fringe nature of the health claims made for alkaline water. This is a contentions topic, under special restrictions, and you must get agreement from other editors in support of your changes. See WP:CON. MrOllie (talk) 21:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

water ionizers lower the ORP of the source water

Water ionizer benefits are do not result solely from increasing the alkalinity of the water. They also decrease the ORP value of the water giving it a negative ORP. negative ORP water has anti-bacterial benefits and can act as a free radical scavenger because of its ability to bond. Using these machines is not only about drinking alkaline water. it is about drinking water with a negative ORP value. Also, this article always claims there are no benefits to alkaline water. Many of the references given in the citations are marketing links or other garbage. The only way to prove of label these machines pseudo science is to go long term, blind trials. There are none such links in your citations. so do some science or stop mislabeling these machines. 2407:4D00:1C04:8EC5:7C57:DC57:8328:D093 (talk) 08:33, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

Source? --Hob Gadling (talk) 10:14, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

negative ORP is used in aquaponic systems and aquaculture to regulate bacterial activity and there are many resources on that. blue zone inhabitants have been noted to ingest water with lower ORP. funding for blind trials would be inconclusive because of the years it would take to get any clear data. so I guess the benefits enjoyed by people who use these machines, mostly in Asia - especially Japan will stay there because of the inability of western science to put 2 and 2 together to make 4. are you still eating margarine and on a vegetarian diet also.... 2407:4D00:1C04:8EC5:46B4:A4CF:48DB:5A55 (talk) 19:26, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

Source?

On Wikipedia, you need WP:RS. --Hob Gadling (talk) 11:07, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

You have it backwards.

The only way to prove it isn't pseudoscience is blind trials.

If you start selling a thing or making claims that a thing is useful before doing those studies, then you're engaging in pseudoscience.

You can't start with the assumption that magic is real and dare people to prove you wrong. That's not how science works. That's how pseudoscience works. ApLundell (talk) 16:36, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9621423/ 2407:4D00:1C04:8EC5:46B4:A4CF:48DB:5A55 (talk) 19:34, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

WP:PRIMARY study, so knee-jerk rejected.

Besides, it never mentions water ionizers. tgeorgescu (talk) 22:49, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

I'm starting to strongly suspect that people are just asking GPT for sources, and then copy/pasting whatever random link it spits out. ApLundell (talk) 23:54, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

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