Talk:Xiaomi

@Cfls: Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Pronunciation, respellings are placed after IPA. There already is an English IPA, /ˈʃaʊmi/, citing the BBC Pronunciation Unit, which is a source with more relevant expertise. Help:Pronunciation respelling key, which {{Respell}} links to and which outlines the components from which English respellings on Wikipedia are defined, designates /aʊ/ to be respelled by ow, not au (which far more often represents /ɔː/ in English orthography; compare author, auto, cause, fault, haul, launch, taut). The whole point of the key is that words are not respelled in a haphazard way so readers won't have to figure out (let alone guess) what is meant by a respelling in each article. As the MoS puts it, Creating transcriptions unsupported by the key or changing the key so that it no longer conforms to existing transcriptions will confuse readers. So it has to be respelled SHOW-mee, but this is precisely when a respelled syllable would be the same as an existing word that is pronounced differently because of the word show, so Respelling should ... be avoided. Finally, no respelling is the status quo to which it should be reverted per WP:BRD. Nardog (talk) 00:44, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

I accept the statement that "Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Pronunciation, respellings are placed after IPA". All other statements of yours are your original research under WP:OR. Help:Pronunciation respelling key is an information page, as its hatnote explicitly states that it "is not an encyclopedic article, nor one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines". Moreover, WSJ is a trusted source per WP:WSJ. The WSJ article explicitly introduces the respelling keys. If you oppose this, please feel free to initiate a domination discussion through WP:DEPS. Cfls (talk) 18:10, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

A personal note is that, I understand and speak both English and Chinese. Your self-researched respelling "SHOW-mee" is incorrect when pronouncing the Chinese word "Xiaomi (小米)". The WSJ's respelling "SHAU-mee" does capture the pronunciation of the original Chinese word 小米. Your proposed respelling "SHOW-mee" is more for 秀米 instead of 小米. Cfls (talk) 18:16, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Your statement of "BBC Pronunciation Unit, which is a source with more relevant expertise" is a claim. You need reliable sources to prove that BBC Pronunciation Unit is more reliable than WSJ in this case. Cfls (talk) 18:21, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Keeping both of them could be a solution in this case. Cfls (talk) 18:23, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

You seem to have misunderstood my point. /ˈʃaʊmi/, "SHAU-mee", and SHOW-mee all represent the same pronunciation. MOS:PRON only permits the first.

MOS:RESPELL says, Whatever system is used, any transcription should link to an explanation of its symbols, since such symbols are not universally understood. "SHAU-mee" does not follow the conventions of Help:Pronunciation respelling key, which {{Respell}} links the output to, so it cannot be used. SHOW-mee does, but this is a case where a respelled syllable would be the same as an existing word that is pronounced differently, which the guideline says should also be avoided.

The BBC not only quotes a subject-matter expert, the BBC Pronunciation Unit, but is less ambiguous as it clarifies what it means by its respelling: SHOW mee (-sh as in ship, -ow as in now, -ee as in street, note first syllable stress). WSJ doesn't, so it is left to the reader's imagination what it means by "SHAU-mee"; it could be au as in pause or au as in chauffeur. So the former is clearly a better source for the context, but even if it wasn't, the latter would still be redundant since they both provide the same pronunciation (or so we infer, as WSJ is unclear).

The article also already has a Mandarin IPA in the infobox. Nardog (talk) 03:06, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

“Doors to the door was unable to be opened”

what does this mean? ~2025-39701-29 (talk) 22:46, 9 December 2025 (UTC)