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Some Wikipedia critiques
In short, I don't like Wikipedia because it's a free-for-all where the most persistent, noisiest people get their way. It's typically dressed up in claims of NPOV, but NPOV is just another way of saying "majority wins." It claims a moral high ground it's not entitled to. More specifically:
Most tenacious wins
I don't enjoy devoting time to Wikipedia because "consensus" is a euphemism for whoever has the most free time to argue everyone else into submission wins.
Wasting time on edits
If I can't make a substantive edit without being prepared to spend hours defending it, then I just don't find it a good use of my time to continue making substantive edits. I might fix a comma splice or two.
This means that the people who are willing to spend hours defending their edits exercise disproportionate influence over the direction of the encyclopedia. (By disproportionate, I mean not commensurate with the quality of their arguments. In other words, they win debates by attrition.) Rewarding those who spend the most time editing with our esteem and gratitude is certainly fitting. Rewarding people who have the time to always get the last word in any debate by allowing them to always get their way seems counterproductive. However, I'd rather find another hobby than continue to argue about such picayunes just for the satisfaction of "being right."
Let no bad deed go unrewarded
See discussion at Talk:Vitoria-Gasteiz. After a couple of years, we finally built consensus. The system worked -- slowly. The offender's page move was corrected -- slowly. But for multiple years, his unilateral move achieved the desired outcome.
That's not a consenus-based community, no matter how much self-deception you practice to tell yourself it is.
lolz
Yeah, good call deleting that article.
Sandbox: Stupid stuff
I might play with the colors below to get them like I would like them. :)
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CONCACAF Champions League
Qualification
Twenty-four teams are expected to participate in the 2010–11 CONCACAF Champions League from the North American, Central American, and Caribbean zones.[1] Nine of the teams will come from North America, twelve from Central America, and three from the Caribbean.
Teams may be disqualified and replaced if they don't have a stadium for the tournament that CONCACAF deems suitable. If a club fails to meet the standards for its home stadium, this club must find a suitable stadium in its own country. If said club fails to provide the adequate facilities, it will run the risk of being replaced.[2]
- Central America: 12 Central American clubs can qualify to the Champions League. If one or more clubs is precluded, it will be supplanted by a club from another Central American federation. The reallocation would be based on results from the Champions League 2009–10.
- Caribbean: If any Caribbean club is precluded, it will supplanted by the "CFU Club Championship 2010" 4th place finisher.
For the Central American representatives that qualify via split seasons, in nations that play a playoff to determine a national champion, the winner will gain the nation's top spot, and in nations that don't, total points over both seasons, followed by other tiebreakers, will determine which team gains the nation's top spot.
After having analyzed previous results, the CONCACAF Executive Committee approved a reallocation of berths compared to the previous two seasons, giving Panama one automatic place in the Group Stage while making both of El Salvador's qualifiers go through the Preliminary Round.[3]
1 Berths originally awarded to Belize (Belize Defence Force) and Nicaragua (Real Estelí), but both countries failed CONCACAF stadium requirements, so the spots vacated were awarded to Honduras (Motagua) and Panama (San Francisco) based on the performances of clubs from those countries last season.[4]
Format
There will be a two-legged Preliminary Round for 16 clubs, with the eight winners advancing to the Group Stage. The other eight qualified teams will be seeded directly into the Group Stage. The clubs involved in the Group Stage will be placed into four groups of four with each team playing the others in its group in both home and away matches. The top two teams from each group will advance to the Championship Round, which will consist of two-legged ties. The Final Round, to be held in late April 2011, will also be two-legged. The away goals rule will be used, but will not apply once a tie enters extra time.
| Group Stage | ||||
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| Pot A |  Monterrey |
Toluca |
 Columbus Crew |
Real Salt Lake |
| Pot B |  Saprissa |
 Olimpia |
 Municipal |
 Árabe Unido |
| Preliminary Round | ||||
| Pot A | Cruz Azul |
Santos Laguna |
Los Angeles Galaxy |
Seattle Sounders FC |
| Brujas |
Marathón |
 FAS |
 Toronto FC | |
| Pot B | Xelajú |
Tauro |
Isidro Metapán |
Motagua |
| San Francisco |
 Puerto Rico Islanders |
 Joe Public |
San Juan Jabloteh | |
Preliminary round
The draw for the Preliminary Round and the Group Stage was held on May 19, 2010, at the CONCACAF headquarters in New York City.[5] The first legs of the Preliminary Round will be played July 27–29, 2010, while the second legs will be played August 3–5, 2010.[6]
Group A
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Group B
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Group C
Group D
UEFA Champions League
| Group stage | |||
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 InternazionaleTH (1st) |
 Valencia (3rd) |
 Lyon (2nd) |
 CFR Cluj (1st) |
 Chelsea (1st) |
Roma (2nd) |
 Rubin Kazan (1st) |
 Benfica (1st) |
| Manchester United (2nd) |
Milan (3rd) |
Spartak Moscow (2nd) |
 Bursaspor (1st) |
| Arsenal (3rd) |
 Bayern Munich (1st) |
 Shakhtar Donetsk (1st) |
 Panathinaikos (1st) |
| Barcelona (1st) |
Schalke 04 (2nd) |
 Twente (1st) |
 Rangers (1st) |
| Real Madrid (2nd) |
Marseille (1st) |
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| Play-off round | |||
| Champions | Non-champions | ||
| Tottenham Hotspur (4th) |
Sampdoria (4th) |
Auxerre (3rd) | |
| Sevilla (4th) |
Werder Bremen (3rd) |
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| Third qualifying round | |||
| Champions | Non-champions | ||
 Anderlecht (1st) |
Zenit St. Petersburg (3rd) |
Braga (2nd) |
Celtic (2nd) |
 Basel (1st) |
Dynamo Kyiv (2nd) |
Fenerbahçe (2nd) |
Gent (2nd) |
 Copenhagen (1st) |
Ajax (2nd) |
PAOK (P-1st) |
Young Boys (2nd) |
| Unirea Urziceni (2nd) |
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| Second qualifying round | |||
 Litex Lovech (1st) |
 Žilina (1st) |
 BATE (1st) |
 Levadia (1st) |
| background: #800000;Sparta Prague (1st) |  Lech Poznań (1st) |
 Željezničar (1st) |
 Dinamo Tirana (1st) |
 Rosenborg (1st) |
 Dinamo Zagreb (1st) |
 Debrecen (1st) |
 Aktobe (1st) |
 Red Bull Salzburg (1st) |
 HJK Helsinki (1st) |
 FH (1st) |
 Pyunik (1st) |
 Partizan (1st) |
 Ekranas (1st) |
 Sheriff Tiraspol (1st) |
 The New Saints (1st) |
 Hapoel Tel Aviv (1st) |
 Bohemians (1st) |
 Olimpi Rustavi (1st) |
 Linfield (1st) |
 Omonia (1st) |
 Liepājas Metalurgs (1st) |
 Renova (1st) |
 HB Tórshavn (1st) |
 AIK (1st) |
 Koper (1st) |
 Inter Baku (1st) |
 Jeunesse Esch (1st) |
| First qualifying round | |||
 Rudar Pljevlja (1st) |
 FC Santa Coloma (1st) |
 Birkirkara (1st) |
 Tre Fiori (1st) |
TH Title Holder
| Phase | Round | Draw date | First leg | Second leg |
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| Qualifying | First qualifying round | 21 June 2010 | 29–30 June 2010 | 6–7 July 2010 |
| Second qualifying round | 13–14 July 2010 | 20–21 July 2010 | ||
| Final | 28 May 2011 at Wembley Stadium, London | |||
First qualifying round
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| Full name | Società Polisportiva Tre Fiori | ||
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| Founded | 1949 | ||
| Ground | Stadio di Fiorentino | ||
| Capacity | 700 | ||
| Chairman | Marino Casali | ||
| Manager | Floriano Sperindio | ||
| League | Campionato Sammarinese di Calcio - Girone B | ||
| 2008-09 | Girone B, 1st | ||
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| Full name | Fudbalski klub Rudar | ||
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| Founded | 1920 | ||
| Ground | Stadion Gradski, Pljevlja, Montenegro | ||
| Capacity | 11,000 | ||
| Chairman | Radovan Klačar | ||
| Manager | Nebojša Vignjević | ||
| League | First League | ||
| 2009–10 | 1st | ||
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Second qualifying round
The first legs were played on 13 and 14 July, and the second legs were played on 20 and 21 July 2010.
| Team 1 | Agg. | Team 2 | 1st leg | 2nd leg |
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| Liepājas Metalurgs |
0–5 |  Sparta Prague |
0–3 | 0–2 |
| Aktobe |
3–1 | Olimpi Rustavi |
2–0 | 1–1 |
| Levadia |
3–4 | Debrecen |
1–1 | 2–3 |
| Partizan |
4–1 | Pyunik |
3–1 | 1–0 |
| Inter Baku |
1–1 (8–9 p) | Lech Poznań |
0–1 | 1–0 (aet) |
| Dinamo Zagreb |
5–4 | Koper |
5–1 | 0–3 |
| Litex Lovech |
5–0 | Rudar Pljevlja |
1–0 | 4–0 |
| Birkirkara |
1–3 | Žilina |
1–0 | 0–3 |
| Sheriff Tiraspol |
3–2 | Dinamo Tirana |
3–1 | 0–1 |
| Hapoel Tel Aviv |
6–0 | Željezničar |
5–0 | 1–0 |
| Omonia |
5–0 | Renova |
3–0 | 2–0 |
| Red Bull Salzburg |
5–1 | HB Tórshavn |
5–0 | 0–1 |
| Bohemians |
1–4 | The New Saints |
1–0 | 0–4 |
| BATE |
6–1 | FH |
5–1 | 1–0 |
| AIK |
1–0 | Jeunesse Esch |
1–0 | 0–0 |
| Linfield |
0–2 | Rosenborg |
0–0 | 0–2 |
| Ekranas |
1–2 | HJK Helsinki |
1–0 | 0–2 (aet) |
Third qualifying round
The third qualifying round will be split into two separate sections: one for champions and one for non-champions. The losing teams in both sections will enter the play-off round of the 2010–11 UEFA Europa League. The first legs are to be played on 27 and 28 July, and the second legs are to be played on 3 and 4 August 2010.
| Team 1 | Agg. | Team 2 | 1st leg | 2nd leg | |
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| Champions Path | |||||
| Sparta Prague color: 800000 |
Lech Poznań |
27 July | 4 August | ||
| Aktobe |
Hapoel Tel Aviv |
28 July | 3 August | ||
| Sheriff Tiraspol |
Dinamo Zagreb |
27 July | 4 August | ||
| Litex Lovech |
Žilina |
27 July | 4 August | ||
| Debrecen |
Basel |
28 July | 4 August | ||
| AIK |
Rosenborg |
28 July | 4 August | ||
| Partizan |
HJK Helsinki |
28 July | 4 August | ||
| BATE |
Copenhagen |
28 July | 4 August | ||
| The New Saints |
Anderlecht |
27 July | 3 August | ||
| Omonia |
Red Bull Salzburg |
27 July | 4 August | ||
| Non-Champions Path | |||||
| Ajax |
PAOK |
28 July | 4 August | ||
| Dynamo Kyiv |
Gent |
27 July | 4 August | ||
| Young Boys |
Fenerbahçe |
28 July | 4 August | ||
| Braga |
Celtic |
28 July | 4 August | ||
| Unirea Urziceni |
Zenit St. Petersburg |
27 July | 4 August | ||
Play-off round
The play-off round will be split into two separate sections: one for champions and one for non-champions. The losing teams in both sections will enter the group stage of the 2010–11 UEFA Europa League. The first legs are to be played on 17 and 18 August, and the second legs are to be played on 24 and 25 August 2010. Following a trial at last year's UEFA Europa League, UEFA have announced that in both this year's and the 2011-12 competition, two extra officials will be used - with one on each goal line.[7]
Champions
The 10 winners from the third qualifying round for champions will play in the play-off round for champions.
Non-champions
10 clubs will play in the play-off round for non-champions: the 5 winners from the third qualifying round for non-champions, and the following 5 clubs which will enter in this round:
Group stage
32 clubs will play in the group stage: the 10 winners from the play-off round (5 champions and 5 non-champions), and the following 22 clubs which will enter in this stage:
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