User talk:AndrewBuck

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Hello fellow Wikipedians :) AndrewBuck 21:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Torrent project impact assessment

Metrics on our project performance are pretty hard to come up with, but I have taken a run at it. If your BitTorrent client keep tracks of file-specific accumulated upload, please tell it here. -- Paleorthid 16:20, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Finale

Ciao! Thanks for your good edits at Finale Ligure. Just a note: for the references/footnotes, the {{reflist}} template is now standard and easier. Bye and good work. --Attilios 10:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

World Gazetteer

Hi Andrew,

you've been updating population data on Nigerian states and cities lately. You refer to World Gazetter, but I wonder whether World Gazetter can be trusted. All of its figures are collected by one single man (the owner himself). He collects them in his spare time. He doesn't name his sources.[1]

Nigeria's population figures are highly controversial. The results of the 2006 census are rejected by many. The federal government for instance now gives a population of 9.1 million for Lagos State, the Lagos State government gives 17.5 million.[2] The federal government now gives a population of 1.4 million for the Federal Capital Territory, the minister of the Federal Capital Territory, though, gives 6 million.[3]

So where does World Gazetteer get its figures (11.159.454 for Lagos State and 693.261 for the Federal Capital Territory)[4] from? Are they older and even more controversial figures (1991 census?) still being extrapolated? - Little do we know. And spreading them as if we knew much more makes me feel uneasy. What do you think? --Ankimai 18:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

  • You raise an interesting point, my primary concern is just getting numbers into the coor template tags for the geographical coordinates project so the accuracy of the data wasn't too much of a concern, having the populations at least roughly correct allows layering to work in things like google earth which uses a database dump of wikipedia as one source of city informatin. Even having cities sorted into 2 groups makes the rendering of maps much faster, so spot on accuracy is not too important just general size, however the article itself should have as good of a figure as we can provide. I had noticed that there seems to be a lot of discrepancy between various sources. I had been citing the gazetteer simply for consistancy because they have figures for just about everywhere. I was trying to think of a way to list population and source information in the text of the article from multiple sources, I was thinking something like this...
Population estimates for Blah vary, some notable examples are 1,123 (1991 cen),[5] 1,564 (2007 est).[6]
  • but I dont know if this would be too distracting. Questions remaining to be answered what other sources would be good to use, would the 1991 census data be better than the 2007 estimate, is it safe to compare census data with FallingRain.com which lists the number of people within a 7km radius of the point given as the city? I think the best thing to do would be to develop some efficient way of listing numerous sources, possibly different methods, side by side so the reader can decide what to use as the towns population. Maybe some form of an infobox, or a modification of one of the infoboxes already in use. -AndrewBuck 21:37, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry. I could not (and still can't) come up with an idea how to solve the problem, but I could at least have said that. - In the meantime, a provisional breakdown of the Nigerian census has been published. It doesn't make things much easier, though. Now we have population figures for Local Government Areas and are sort of free to decide which of them make up the city. Nigerian sources feel free, too. The city of Onitsha for example has a population of 261.604 according to the census breakdown, of 600.000 according to the Daily Sun, April 22, 2007, of one-million-odd according to Nigerian Monthly, June 2005, of more than 1.5 million people according to the Nigerian Tribune (Mon. 29th January 2007, not online), of about three million according to the Guardian, Tuesday, July 04, 2006 and of about 6 million according to the Anambra State government (in 2005). So what are we to make of this? I'm lost. Ankimai 19:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
All I can say is wow. I Didn't think it was even possible for the population numbers to vary over an entire order of magnitude. I haven't been working on the population stuff recently so I haven't given it much more thought but I still think the best way is to list as many different sources as possible for each place, at least where they are so disputed. In my opinion the fact that the population is disputed is more of a significant fact than the number itself. -AndrewBuck 03:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

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