User talk:Antifalsidade

For the African diaspora article, you:

1: did not engage in the talk page

2: are doing original research

3: disregarding multiple reliable sources that directly state pardo brazilians are classified as afrodescendant, including by the IBGE

The talk page has already been in discussion and for months to include mixed descendants with African ancestry for applicable countries, including Brazil, which you erroneously but intentionally undid without consulting anyone nor doing it for a reliable reason. As said above, it is sourced properly and thoroughly that mixed Brazilians are classified as afrodescendant; it is not up to your personal interpretation at this point

Please keep this in mind or you may be seen as agenda pushing Kyogul (talk) 14:33, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

You are not telling the truth, because the IBGE says that the Pardos are MIXED-RACE which includes the mixed races of Indigenous people with whites (called "caboclos"), which are the majority of the Pardos in the North, Northeast and Central-West regions of Brazil, who are also included in the group of "Pardos". It seems that you are not Brazilian and that you are pushing an Afro agenda in a country where there is a mix of 3 races. Antifalsidade (talk) 15:53, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what afrodescendant means. I explained this already to you in the talk page but you refused to listen.

A mixed-race person can still be an afrodescendant, much like they can still be a eurodescendant. If this was a page about the Portuguese diaspora, (virtually) all pardo Brazilians would count towards that as well as almost all have Portuguese ancestry for their European component. Also, as discussed in the talk page, the census does not have a category for mestiço/caboclos and there are no sources that showcase Brazilians having no African ancestry but only indigenous and European ancestry. This study, and a plethora of others available inside and outside of Wikipedia, reiterate the same findings that people in the north of Brazil still have prominent African ancestry.

I provided a myriad of citations in the talk page, but examples are here, here, here, and here. They clearly state pardo Brazilians are afrodescendant and reiterate the same thing. This is not up to personal interpretation.

Further talks should be in the talk page, but this continued behaviour from you is both belligerent and against the spirit of Wikipedia. You're also engaging in original research -- nothing you've shown so far is cited. You've been asked already and have failed to show anything. This is just showing a pattern of acting in bad faith and going against code of conduct in Wikipedia

You have one more chance before this escalates and your conduct gets reported Kyogul (talk) 17:26, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Sorry my friend, no disrespect intended, but you are interpret a US concept of the "one-drop rule" on a MAJORITY mixed-race population, when what counts in Brazil is the PHENOTYPE. A person can have black genes, BUT if they look white or mixed race, they will be seen as that. Besides, many black people in Brazil have European and indigenous genes and yet they are not considered "white" or "indigenous"

We have different colonization!

Here in thi link: https://projetocolabora.com.br/ods10/parditude-conceito-enfrenta-resistencia-do-movimento-negro/ of a brazilian site that demonstrates that Pardo is a term that is used by ALL types of mixed race people, which includes "caboclos" (mixed race of indigenous people and white people)

Even more so than these links from El País, The Guardian are written by foreign journalists who have no knowledge of the Brazilian people and Brazil

Here in this link: https://g1.globo.com/economia/noticia/2024/01/09/entenda-quais-foram-os-significados-de-pardo-nos-ultimos-80-anos-e-como-isso-dificultou-a-identificacao-racial-do-brasil.ghtml the biggest newspaper in Brazil (Globo) explaining the concept of "Pardo" in the census and that are confuse and demonstre that there is a dispute about "Pardo" classification

REPEAT: The IBGE itself (Brazilian institute) makes it clear that Pardos are MIXED-RACE people of ANY mixture, but since it is "self-affirmation", then people interpret it as they want. Of course there are "caboclo people" (mixed race of indigenous and white) in Brazil, but if a caboclo person declares himself as such, he will be thrown into the group of "pardos", just like the "mulatto" (mixed race of black and white).

I am from the North Region, I am PARDO and I do NOT have any "black" phenotype, only indigenous, just like the MAJORITY of the population of the North Region of Brazil

Please research more about the "pardo concept"

I apologize for the disrespect in my previous answers, but this is a very complex issue here in Brazil.

There is a movement of mixed race people to be recognized as a separate population and it has nothing to do with "denial", since the northern region of Brazil is completely indigenous, both culturally and racially

The people of Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo ignore the claim of northern people Antifalsidade (talk) 18:29, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

African diaspora

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Xuxo (talk) 20:42, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Hey there @Antifalsidade

There was already a dispute resolution held here and affirmed by a Wikipedia moderator as you can see here which co-signed the edits and saw the information as kosher. Despite this topic as well as the sources listed you continue editing them back engaging in editing wars and arguably agenda pushing. It's been well documented that afrodescendant =/= black, and other countries as well include mixed-race people and it has been agreed upon that Brazil should not get special treatment in this regard in addition to the fact that many sources showcase almost all pardo Brazilians have African ancestry to be included

Please refrain from doing this or a report might have to be made about engaging in edit wars or agenda pushing Kyogul (talk) 18:11, 3 May 2025 (UTC)