User talk:Bobcoiltrb

Ok Bob, per this here's how Wikipedia works. WP:CITE. WP:VERIFY. WP:RELIABLE. Articles exist because verifiable citations prove a subjects notability. If you bring citations to a verifiable source, a good academic one, we a can address your concerns. Writing "my friend so and so says this shit, Wikipedia is wrong!!!!!" on one of our article pages is not adhering to those policies, and not helping anyone. In fact, doing shit like that is indistinguishable from garden variety vandalism by bored 12 years old in their moms basement. I'm not saying you're right or wrong, I'm saying, what if we took every one who did what you did at their word? We have the best system we can for getting around that problem. CITATIONS to RELIABLE sources for VERIFICATION. So, if you would be so kind, bring your citations from a recognized academic source stating your concerns to the article talkpage here: Talk:Story Mound (Cincinnati, Ohio), it will be addressed and fixed. Heiro 05:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I have written to the National Register of Historic places. I was informed that their citation for this Reference Number 75001436 came from some submission to the Ohio Historical Society. Their record is locked, and according to the source at the National Register, that was done because it is an archive. Even though it is erroneous, the record can't be deleted in accordance with archiving principles. I have written to the Ohio Historical Society, referencing the local Sayler Park primary sources, my own first hand visits to the site, and all the references to the correct Story Mound in Chillicothe, but can't get a reply from a person in charge. At no point have I made reference to "a friend who says this shit". I suppose it is possible that someone played a prank on the Ohio Historical society many years ago. It is insulting to be told that my efforts to correct an error are equivalent to VANDALISM. Citing a living authority in the local jurisdiction is better than relying on a prankster from over a decade ago. I hold a doctor of philosophy degree from a University recognized by the State of Ohio, and taught for 28 years at an Ohio College, and could be considered by some to be a "recognized academic source". The fact that there are no references in any academic works to an Indian mound located in the baseball field at the elementary school is itself significant. At the very least the Wikipedia entry should have some mention of the dubious value of the data it contains. "If no reliable sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." Bobcoiltrb (talk) 18:45, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

I have visited the site. There is no mound there. The Sayler Park Historical Society says the WP article is in error. There is a Story Mound in Chillicothe. Perhaps you can think of a better revision. Bobcoiltrb (talk) 13:50, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

See WP:NOR. You may be correct, but your knowledge can't be used here. Doug Weller talk 17:04, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

It's in the Federal Register.

Doug Weller talk 17:47, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to use this response page, but found that I could type in the Edit Source tab.

I see the National Register has 2 entries for Story Mound. The one in Chillecothe is correct and the one in Sayler Park is incorrect. I have written to the National Register to see if they will fix their incorrect duplicate. In the meantime, I can share the references that were listed on one of the web pages from Ohio Historical Central. http://ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Chillicothe_Earthworks There are several other websites about the Chillicothe mound that I could include if that would be helpful.

References 1. Byers, A. Martin. The Ohio Hopewell Episode: Paradigm Lost and Paradigm Gained. Akron, OH: University of Akron Press, 2004. 2. Carr, Christopher, and D. Troy Case, eds. Gathering Hopewell: Society, Ritual, and Ritual Interaction. New York, NY: Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers, 2005. 3. CERHAS. EarthWorks, Virtual Explorations of the Ancient Ohio Valley. The Center for the Electronic Reconstruction of Historical and Archaeological Sites (CERHAS). Cincinnati, OH, 2006. 4. Case, D. Troy and Christopher Carr, eds. The Scioto Hopewell and their Neighbors: Bioarchaeological Documentation and Cultural Understanding. New York, NY: Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers, 2008. 5. Pangea Productions. Searching for the Great Hopewell Road. N.p.: Pangea Productions, 1998. 6. Greber, N'omi "A Study of Continuity and Contrast Between Central Scioto Adena and Hopewell Sites." West Virginia Archeologist 43:1-26, 1991 7. Earthworks Virtual Explorations of Ancient Newark, Ohio. The Center for the Electronic Reconstruction of Historical and Archaeological Sites. Cincinnati, OH: Center for the Electronic Reconstruction of Historical and Archaeological Sites, 2005. 8. Warriner, Gray, producer. Legacy of the Mound Builders. Seattle, WA: Camera One for the National Park Service and the Hopewell Culture National Historical Park, 1994. 9. Woodward, Susan L., and Jerry N. McDonald. Indian Mounds of the Middle Ohio Valley: A Guide to Mounds and Earthworks of the Adena, Hopewell, Cole, and Fort Ancient People. Lincoln: The University of Nebraska Press, 2002. 10. Lepper, Bradley T. Ohio Archaeology: An Illustrated Chronicle of Ohio's Ancient American Indian Cultures. Wilmington, Ohio, Orange Frazer Press, 2005.

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For general help go to the WP:TEAHOUSE after reading Help:editing. --Doug Weller talk 17:18, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

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Please help me with... In 2020 I tried to provide information to correct the article about the Story Mound. [Mound] The article points to a mound of dirt in Saylor Park that was created when a new school building was constructed. The real Story mound is named after the person who owned the lot in Chillicothe when the Ohio Historical Society compiled a list of mounds. I visited with the historical society director in Saylor Park who also complained about being unable to get the information corrected. I think I was able to trace the error to a National Park record that someone created, perhaps as a joke. The NPS doesn't delete records, but marks them as inactive in their database. A person (unnamed for now) responded to my efforts to correct the record by calling me a vandal, and lacking sufficient credentials to make changes, and accused me using the equivalent of off-color language. Nothing I wrote was as mean, or foul as the message I received. I have a Ph.D., I have visited the GPS coordinates, talked to the a local authority, obtained documents from the US Geological Survey, and read the documents from the Ohio Historical Society. After 5 years, my hurt and disgust has subsided enough that I am willing to try again, but I need some help, so that what I have to offer helps to correct a significant error. I'm not sure I have inserted the link to the article correctly. I don't know exactly what it means to "sign my post on talk pages". It is worth noting that Google Earth shows the location of the mound correctly. Bob

Bobcoiltrb (talk) 01:55, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Hello there! I'm quite glad to hear your desire to help on Wikipedia! I'd like to apologize on behalf of the project for your past treatment. I'm afraid some people have a tendency to get locked into a "barbarians at the gate" mindset, where they view their goal as being "protecting Wikipedia from bad guys trying to mess things up", and forget that there are other humans on the other side of the computer screen.

I'm really glad to see that information it looks you uploaded there. Thanks for that effort! I just need a little bit of clarification: so, are you saying the geographical coordinates in the Story Mound (Cincinnati, Ohio) article are wrong? I'd like to assist with this, just need to be sure what needs to be done here.

To sign your post just put four tilde characters at the end: ~~~~. That's all!

More info here: Sign your posts on talk pages. I think you may be using VisualEditor which should have something to do that automatically.

Any questions you have on anything Wikipedia, you are welcome to ask me anytime at my talk page: User talk:Slowking Man.

Again welcome and thanks for looking to contribute! --Slowking Man (talk) 03:45, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the helpful reply. Yes, I have been trying to point out that the picture of the mound on Wikipedia clearly shows the construction trailer in the background and the coordinates point to the pitcher's mound behind the elementary school. It would be laughable if it were not for the fact that glaring errors call in to question the validity of everything else. There is a reference link at the bottom of the article that shows a picture of the mound with mature trees, which the construction mound does not have. Ohio History web page picture of Story Mound in Chillicothe The uncropped picture of the mound looks vastly different than the construction mound that was in Saylor Park in the Wikipedia article.

The US Geological survey shows the coordinates as N. 39deg 20min 31sec and W. 82deg 59min 58sec. I have a copy of the US Department of the Interior National Park Service National Register of Historic Place Inventory - Nomination Form that shows the location in Chillicothe, Ross County, Ohio. The street address is given as East of the junction of Cherokee and Delano Streets. It indicates the State Survey was done in 1939 and the depository for survey records is the Division of Archaeology, The Ohio Historical Society. The document shows that it was received May 3 1972. Obviously I am not the creator of the surveys, pictures, or books that I reference, but to the extent they were shared with me, I felt it was OK to share to this discussion.

I hope this conveys the impression that I am not a Barbarian at the gate.

While the use of quotes in the profane post by Mr. Weller may have been intended to indicate a hypothetical conversation, it could also be interpreted as a quote of language attributed to me. I found that misrepresentation very offensive. Doug Weller wrote: "my friend so and so says this shit, Wikipedia is wrong!!!!!"

I have a PDF with the information that should be deleted because it is inaccurate, and the correct information with pictures and several references. I whole heartedly agree with the process that could lead to improvements on the article I propose as a replacement.

Bobcoiltrb (talk) 15:13, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

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Bobcoiltrb, good luck, and have fun. Slowking Man (talk) 03:45, 18 September 2025 (UTC)