User talk:Cosmiaou

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Bougival Accord

Hello, Cosmiaou. I noticed Bougival Accord, which you created; thank you for that! There are some problems with the first sentence, which is unclear and doesn't follow English syntax. I understand that you are not a native English speaker, and that's fine; thanks for contributing this article to English Wikipedia; I just want to fix the first sentence so it is more easily understandable. I am fluent in French, so if you can please reply below, and write the first sentence below as you wish to see it written in English Wikipedia, except write it in your native French, I will translate it and add it back to the article in English. (It does *not* have to be the same as the first sentence of the French article, so you can stick with what you were trying to say before.) Please don't worry about this, and by all means please do keep contributing to English Wikipedia on French topics (or any topics); you are very welcome here. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 03:38, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for your kind and understating message! I understand my mistakes, thanks for pointing out it was flawed and thanks for wanting to fix it :)

In French i'd write: "L'Accord de Bougival est un accord signé en 2025 entre le gouvernement français et divers partis indépendantistes et loyalistes de Nouvelle-Calédonie, à la suite des émeutes de 2024 dans l'archipel."

I think the part after the comma could be removed or moved somewhere else in the article, because it may sound weird + it could be technically incorrect (an agreement would have been needed even without 2024 events). Cosmiaou (talk) 21:18, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Skipping the last clause for the moment, here is how I would write it for an English-speaking audience:

The '''Bougival Accord''' is an agreement signed in 2025 between the [[French government]] and various [[List of political parties in New Caledonia|New Caledonian parties]] across the political spectrum, including [[Pro-independence movement|pro-independence]] and [[anti-independence]] parties.

What do you think? Note the additional wording not part of the original, inserted to support an anglophone readership less familiar with the context; hope that meets with your approval.

As far as the last clause after the comma, keep in mind the English Wikipedia guideline on MOS:LEADSENTENCE, and the general guidance of MOS:LEAD which calls for the lead to be a summary of the main points of the article, as well as MOS:LEADNOTUNIQUE, which calls for the lead to be *only* a summary, and not include information that does not appear in the body.

Finally, there is WP:Original research: who is making the connection between the accord and the riots, worthy of placing them in the same sentence, connected by an à la suite des? Was it a source (if so, it should be in the body somewhere, and cited) or is it a Wikipedia editor (if so, it should be removed). The fact that the clause is there implies a causal connection, even if such a connection is not stated. After all, one could say, the accord took place "after the 2024 Russian invasion of Ukraine", which is demonstrably accurate, but no reliable source is citable for having said that, therefore, neither can we. Given all of that, what would you do—move it into the body (with citation, if not already present)? drop it? keep it? Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 22:16, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

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