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Eyewitnesses for conflicting orders are three; Three: NYT; Mr Janeksela „agents yelled at her to move“, Huffpost Heller "screaming at her to ‘move, move, move," MPR Callenson: "but ICE gave her orders to leave"

NYT and Huffington Post: ^[1][2]

Regards--Ossobe (talk) 11:20, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. I think in this case we need a source saying explicitly that the orders were conflicting. It seems like the MPR source does that; not sure about the Huffington Post or NYT sources. Einsof (talk) 13:14, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

I can see your point.

how about presenting this on the talk page to let more authors weigh up whether the information in the article (with one witness) can be called correct

Regards--Ossobe (talk) 15:29, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

The source for my addition is the cited paper itself. Have you read it? If you had, you would see that the paper itself is verification. Pamela Miller (talk) 01:52, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

The study says, "For context, background levels in the New York City metropolitan area during the study period averaged ~8–9 μg/m³, meaning the observed reduction represents ~22% decline from the counterfactual mean of 13.8 μg/m³ that would have occurred in the absence of the policy." Separately, there is a paragraph later on that describes their controls. This is not *discounting* background levels. This is *accounting for* background levels. Einsof (talk) 02:49, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

Later on is this paragraph:

To isolate local emissions from regional background pollution, we selected four upwind background monitoring sites. These stations were chosen based on two criteria: (1) their persistent positioning upwind of the CRZ under dominant west and northwest wind conditions, as shown in seasonal wind rose patterns (Fig. 3A); and (2) their minimal influence from proximate traffic or industrial emission sources. consistent representation of transported background PM2.5 levels, which were subtracted from city-wide measurements to calculate net PM2.5, thus isolating the local-scale impact of congestion pricing on ambient air quality.

Background pollution levels were "subtracted," i.e. they were discounted. Pamela Miller (talk) 03:08, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

Background pollution levels were subtracted in order to arrive at the net PM_2.5 generated within the CRZ. As per the sentence I cited earlier, the background levels are brought in again to compute the percentage decrease in peak pollution. Einsof (talk) 16:05, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

Background levels were subtracted in order to heighten the alleged local-scale impact. In the paragraph you quoted from, a counterfactual of 13.8 μg/m³ with a background of 8-9 μg/m³ implies a local concentration of 5.8-4.8 μg/m³. A reduction of 3.05 μg/m³ means a reduction of 52%-64% in local PM2.5 concentration, which includes PM2.5 from building boilers, power plants, etc. The paper also claims a -4.9 μg/m³ change by week 20, implying a local-scale reduction of 84%-100%. Something is wrong here. But rather than debate what, I would rather drop the offending sentence and go back to the 09:48, January 6, 2026, version which had references to two other papers that came to the opposite conclusion, i.e. that congestion pricing had little to no effect on air pollution. Pamela Miller (talk) 20:09, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

3.05 µg/m³ is the value given within the CRZ specifically; 8–9 µg/m³ is a value range given for the NYC metropolitan area in aggregate. Einsof (talk) 22:01, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

You lost me there. Background levels average 8-9 μg/m³ in the CRZ just as everywhere else. Peak PM2.5 averages 13.8 μg/m³ in the CRZ, and so the the net PM2.5 from local sources averages 5.8-4.8 μg/m³. A large proportion of the local sources are building boilers and electric generation equipment. So a reduction of 3.05 μg/m³ due to small traffic changes associated with congestion pricing hardly seems plausible; a reduction of 4.9 μg/m³ seems impossible.

But, as I wrote, let's drop any analysis of that paper and restore citations to other papers that came to the opposite conclusion. Pamela Miller (talk) 22:46, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

The study says, "Average daily maximum PM2.5 concentrations within the CRZ decreased by 3.05 μg/m³ (SE = 0.022). For context, background levels in the New York City metropolitan area during the study period averaged ~8–9 μg/m³". Einsof (talk) 22:52, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

The 8-9 μg/m³ average represents "transported background PM2.5 levels" with "minimal influence from proximate traffic or industrial emission sources." PM2.5 is transported into the metropolitan area from distant sources, e.g. cities in other areas, smoke from fires. Background concentrations are assumed to be uniform over the metropolitan area, including the CRZ. As you wrote previously, "the background levels are brought in again to compute the percentage decrease in peak pollution." Pamela Miller (talk) 23:30, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

The 22% figure is found by dividing 3.05 μg/m³ of net PM_2.5 by the projected 13.8 μg/m³, the latter of which includes background. I did not literally mean that the 8–9 μg/m³ average background was used to do the arithmetic. Einsof (talk) 23:37, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

You didn't use 8-9 μg/m³ to do the arithmetic, but the authors had already added a background to a net PM2.5 concentration to get the 13.8 μg/m³ counterfactual concentration. Pamela Miller (talk) 04:13, 17 January 2026 (UTC)

I added a reference to a second published study. This should hopefully settle the matter. Pamela Miller (talk) 14:37, 17 January 2026 (UTC)

for your helpful comment at Talk:Killing of Alex Pretti. ~2026-16343-3 (talk) 21:59, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

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I am writing this as I did try to explain that the way I wrote it out shows basketball in NBA rather than the way you write it which is rather clinky. I think National Basketball Association is self explanatory in what it is. Also, the NBA as a whole has a rather global audience so we don't have to specify much, just as we don't write "English Premier League", we just say Premier League and everyone will know what it is anyways. HalfOfAnOrange (talk) 04:07, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

You changed the subsection title back to just say "Knicks fans". Again, why are readers on a World Cup article supposed to know what Knicks are? Einsof (talk) 11:33, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Because the description in the subsection explains what it is. Do you assume people not know the Knicks are a basketball team? HalfOfAnOrange (talk) 13:53, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Yes, just 13% of people in the UK and India follow the NBA, which are the two countries after the US with the most page views on the English Wikipedia. World Cup articles are almost certainly skewed even more highly toward a non-US readership given the relative popularity of the sport inside versus outside the US. You are writing for an international readership, not just Ameriburgers. Einsof (talk) 00:25, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Yet the NBA is well known in mainland Europe too where much of the readers are. Basketball isn’t that different in name, it’s self explanatory. There is no alternate basketball, it is one kind. But also because this is in the United States, guidelines say to follow American words and conventions. HalfOfAnOrange (talk) 02:57, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

The contention was, specifically, that you removed "basketball" from the subsection heading. Einsof (talk) 03:02, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

I included it in the description where it is more fitting and explains better. Having a clunky heading benefits no one. HalfOfAnOrange (talk) 05:27, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

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its pretty obvious that by adding personal details about a prior arrest of David Hearn you are trying to make him look bad, in the style of the Newspaper you are quoting Martijn Scheffer (talk) 13:04, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

That is not at all obvious, since I actually think it makes the park police look bad to not know what jurisdiction they're in, and also arresting someone for canoeing in a river sounds like petty behavior. I think (as always) the way I originally wrote it was superior, and if you don't like how it's currently written then I suggest you bring it up on that article's talk page. Einsof (talk) 13:12, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

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Indeed. Thanks for kicking this to the top of my watchlist. Einsof (talk) 18:08, 8 August 2026 (UTC)