User talk:EkoGraf

If you insist on using sources such as Russian state media TASS, you need to attribute it. I find it confusing you revert my removal of it on Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian war. You say it can be used with attribution, yet include it in Wikivoice. TylerBurden (talk) 22:50, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

All claims are attributed. DPR civilian fatalities figure is attributed to Russia's DPR. Ukrainian military fatalities figure is attributed to the Russian Ministry of Defence. Ukrainian military prisoners held by Russia attributed to Russia (although I removed that TASS report subsequently since a non-TASS alternative already existed). You removed this figure here by saying it's not attributed, while the "source" column clearly states that the source for the figure is the DPR. The DPR representative, who reported the figure, is for all intents and purposes a Russian/pro-Kremlin representative. If you think the attribution (source being cited) should be reworded in some other way, please suggest and thanks. EkoGraf (talk) 23:36, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Please check basic WP:NPOV policy WP:DUE, if your only source for this is TASS, don't pretend it deserves the same kind of weight as other sources by simply listing it in a separate infobox section. TylerBurden (talk) 05:42, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

The form of the casualties table to have a "source" column for the attribution of the sources was agreed to years ago by editors to be more clear to readers what the source is. If you insist in your opinion that attribution needs to be more close to the claim for additional clarity for this specific source, it is a simple enough thing to additionally add the "per/according to" attribution right beside the figure in the same column. If more rewording is needed let me know. EkoGraf (talk) 06:28, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

How nice, you still need to be more clear with attribution when citing established unreliable sources. TylerBurden (talk) 06:45, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Regarding your revert here , after my last edit the figure is double cited/attributed to the source (both in the same column as the figure and in the established "source" column whose sole purpose is to emphasis the source). If you think there is a more clear form that is needed, please suggest as I have asked you in my previous two edit summaries. As for your newest comment that the source does not support this figure, please read the source carefully, it states - The DPR reported the death of 9,152 civilians since 2014... Since the escalation on February 17, 2022, 4,778 civilians have been killed.... If they claim 9,152 killed since 2014, with 4,778 of those since the 2022 start of the invasion period, per WP:CALC that would clearly present a claim of 4,374 civilians for the 2014-2022 period. If you think more clarity is needed in this regard, we can do two more things - Add a quote in the reference of the very thing I just quoted here and add a footnote (as suggested by WP:CALC for some cases) regarding the established figure. We can even use the footnote to once again emphasis the source (as a third attribution) that the figure came from a DPR official's claim via TASS. EkoGraf (talk) 07:03, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

The casualty data on the country chapters is not very up-to-date; the country subpages containing texts, sources, and casualty data in the infoboxes have been updated. On the Saudi Arabia in the 2026 Iran war page, the casualties are 3 dead and 23 wounded. The 29 wounded were reported by Al Jazeera with a map updated until June 10. This was incorrect because it wasn't actually updated, especially regarding the wounded from the Gulf countries. Initially, it counted the 29 wounded, but they are US servicemembers. Everything had already been verified and updated months ago, except for the old texts and sources added previously. There is too much writing, data, and sources duplicated on the general page, in the new history, on the casualty page, and in the country subpages, and often some have not been updated. For several weeks there was a sort of "Unifil war edit", both on the victims page for an attack that saw a Serbian, a Spanish and a Salvadoran soldier killed, this in the most updated source inserted in the Salvadoran one, but an old source inserted in the Spanish and Serbian ones gave two Spanish soldiers wounded, the problem being that the base of the Spanish contingent was confused with other troops from other countries attached and present in the Spanish base in Lebanon, the same "war edit" was then moved to the 2026 Lebanon war page which still has incorrect data even today. The same thing happened with France and Indonesia, for seriously wounded who then died and therefore were counted both as dead and remained as wounded, and the old sources have not been updated and are there to create future errors. ~2026-30628-51 (talk) 10:15, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

Two more deaths have been added to the 70 already listed in the casualty table, according to this source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2rxmye4k3o. The issue is not whether they died in the West Bank, but rather the causes and whether they are related to this conflict. The same is true for the deaths and injuries in the West Bank; aside from the Iranian missile attack on a beauty salon, the other deaths were caused by clashes between settlers and Palestinians and between Israeli soldiers and Palestinians in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I have never understood why these casualties, which in my opinion should be attributed to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, were added to the Palestine chapter. Especially because those unfamiliar with the facts might later assume that calm reigned in the West Bank and that the casualties were due solely to the war against Iran, thus underestimating the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The same question arises in the Golan Heights, namely whether the casualties were caused by attacks and clashes related to the Iran war or the long-standing Israeli-Palestinian-Syrian conflict. I attach the latest news item with the latest two injuries: https://sana.sy/en/syria/2331667/ Previously, this news item: https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2026/04/04/syria-says-israeli-tank-fire-kills-man-in-country-s-south And, especially, this one: https://sana.sy/en/syria/2299304/ (the three news items are in the notes to the Casualties total table). ~2026-30628-51 (talk) 03:45, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict, although it has geopolitical links to the Iran War, it is not directly militarily linked to it, unlike the Lebanon War, which is considered a front of the wider Iran War. EkoGraf (talk) 11:19, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

I apologize for the confusion between PMF and IRI; many groups overlap. I misinterpreted the information, thinking that the official PMF casualty statements of April 10th and the IRI news I found on June 25th should be added together. About 85 PMF deaths (and not 80) were added by someone without notes. I had looked for a correspondence in the news after April 10th, but I haven't fully absorbed it yet. I saw that you removed the mortar strike and the bomb statement, which, even though it wasn't stated, was linked to ISIS. You kept the US attack on May 28th. On the Kurdistan war page, the data was either incorrectly updated or not updated at all. I was given 18 CPFIK deaths and 8 KRG Peshmerga deaths, which, however, are not fighters or militias, but the regular Iraqi army of Iraqi Kurdistan. The generated data spoke of 7 Iraqi Peshmerga, but the nighttime attack on the home of a Peshmerga family revealed that the husband was indeed a Peshmerga (the eighth casualty), who died along with his wife and two wounded children: https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/story/906288/a-midnight-drone-strike-in-erbil-extends-a-peshmerga-familys-legacy-of-martyrdom I'm reviewing all the news on Kurdistan and then those on Iraq. On the Kurdistan page, they've given more prominence to the attacks on the Peshmerga and various fighters than to civilian homes, schools, etc. And regarding civilian deaths and injuries, they never mentioned the 3 injured private guards. Seven civilian injuries are still reported, but there are many more. The note posted on March 25 already spoke of 13 injured civilians, and there was confusion between the civilian death and the two civilian deaths. It refers to the same attack on the Peshmerga family, and they mistakenly added them to the 3 deaths. I've been checking all the news daily since the beginning, and for now they're between those from late March and mid-April. ~2026-36818-47 (talk) 15:47, 1 August 2026 (UTC)

The Iranian Kurdish Peshmerga death toll is at least 20, with a confirmed source: https://www.rudaw.net/english/categories/kurdistan/1078636 (The same source does not want to count the Peshmerga husband who died along with his wife, but lists them as two civilians). Another source currently lists 32 dead and 154 wounded: https://www.rudaw.net/english/categories/kurdistan/1078630

I believe there was a desire to underestimate or otherwise count civilian deaths and injuries. There were many sources of attacks on bases or villages where Iranian Kurdish militias were present, with deaths among the relatives of the fighters, but then subsequent data always referred to the militiamen. The only two wounded were counted because it was a Peshmerga family, in which the husband was an important Peshmerga, and because of the attack, which received widespread international attention for attacking an isolated house with the husband and wife. Wife dead and two small children injured: https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/story/906288/slug ~2026-36818-47 (talk) 12:57, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for all the research and information. Will continue to track the updates. Happy editing! EkoGraf (talk) 13:55, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

@EkoGraf I wasn't clear on the change from 26 to 28 Peshmerga. There was already one civilian dead, then there was the married couple, and the civilian deaths became three. An attack on Iraqi Peshmerga in March had left six dead and 30 wounded, there were already 14 wounded, so the total had risen to six dead and 44 wounded. Then a seriously wounded man died, bringing the total to seven Iraqi Peshmerga dead and 43 wounded. Then there was silence about the wounded, especially civilians, from April onwards. There were precise data only if there were deaths. However, a news report clarified that the husband of the married couple was a Peshmerga, so the civilian deaths were only two, not three; One is the wife of the Peshmerga and the other is a relative of Iranian Kurdish fighters: https://www.rudaw.net/english/categories/kurdistan/958294 So, as I already told PawWiki2, either we count 8 Peshmerga (the 7 + the husband killed along with his wife) and 2 civilian deaths, or 7 Peshmerga and 3 civilian deaths. Unfortunately, the confusion was caused by subsequent updates to the data from the sources, which prioritized and reported only the fallen soldiers and fighters. ~2026-36818-47 (talk) 13:08, 4 August 2026 (UTC)

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Do you also need a reminder to not link to obvious Russian propaganda? As you seem to think is acceptable on this article. TylerBurden (talk) 16:03, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

Hi! I agree with your latest edit on Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War, that note fits better to a bottom-of-the-page comment. I want to make it clear, however, that back to March 2026 I had open a thread with the issue in the talk page: British paratrooper killed during weapons test in the Ukrainian rearguard. Darius (talk) 22:41, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry, didn't see your opened discussion back then. I agree that since he was not a foreign fighter in the Ukrainian military, but was there as you said in an official capacity for the British military, he should be mentioned separately. Thanks! EkoGraf (talk) 01:27, 6 August 2026 (UTC)

It is necessary to determine whether the casualties are due to the Iran War, in which Syria appears to me to be neutral; the fight against Hezbollah, which became Syria's enemy but not because of the Iran War, but after the Syrian Civil War; or whether they are due to the Israeli occupation of the Golan Heights and the security zones, but these too are not related to the Iran War. Many of the additions, with their sources, appear to me to be related to other situations of crisis and conflict and not due to Iranian attacks during the Iran War. On the dedicated page Syria in the 2026 Iran war, the only related casualties are the four injured in Ein Tarma by missile debris, the explosion in Suwayda on February 28th being, as stated, caused by the dismantling of an old missile of the former regime to recover the explosives. ~2026-36818-47 (talk) 12:54, 6 August 2026 (UTC)