User talk:Javier1957

Hi Javier1957, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links you might find helpful:

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Ask questions at the Teahouse or my talk. On talk pages, remember to sign your messages by typing a space then four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your message. That automatically inserts your user name and the date. Happy editing! Johnuniq (talk) 05:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, right now I'm just here to contribute to weather boxes. I forgot to sign my last message with 4 tildes, but I have for my replies. I have not heard of the teahouse until now, I will use it if I need to. Cheers Javier1957 (talk) 09:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I wrote a previous message on your page thinking you had made a mistake and then immediately deleted it when I realised you hadn't (I was fooled by not seeing something that was off-screen). Thanks for your contributions!

Kerry (talk) 02:33, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello G'day from sunny England. As you are an editor on Australian topics, I have selected you at semi-random (!) to help me with a query I can't resolve myself without going to your side of the globe. My question is simply this: does the infobox at the right show the correct "normal" (aka Georgian calendar) date where you live? Or does it take ten hours to catch up with "reality"?

Of course you can decline – just revert this message and I'll go pick on somebody else . 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:47, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, the infobox shows Thursday, but it is Friday where I live. I live in New Zealand, not Australia (I do edits for both countries), but it'll also be Friday in Australia🙂 Javier1957 (talk) 23:38, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

NZ is even better! I just picked editors of Cairns as probably a more diverse hunting ground. So thank you (and kia ora, not g'day!).

My next challenge is how to fix it, which is not going to be easy. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 09:06, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi Javier, thanks for your edits regarding climates of Australian places, but I've reverted them, for the following reasons:

• Your edits changed extremely long-standing links to climate data that are still working to more generic links. For reference–text integrity, we prefer specific links. Also your reference changes meant that a computer program (bot) had to re-add some of the references you removed (example).
• They added misleading text to the source field which implied that the reference only referred to dew point, when this was not the case.
• It's a better idea to give a heads-up about mass-changes like this, somewhere like the Australian Wikipedian's notice board, particularly when they're not articles you normally edit; Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, especially from a primary source (which this climate data ultimately is).

Also, please use a more informative edit summary than "climate"; edit summaries are for explaining what changes you've made and why. Graham87 (talk) 17:51, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

I appreciate the message. I'm new to editing Wikipedia, so apologies if my edits have caused issues/been done improperly.

Most of my habits come from observing what others do, so I may have picked up bad habits, such as with very simple edit descriptions, I used to, and will return to giving explanations with justification. With the dew point, I also noticed other weather boxes which included similar caveats in the source field, so I also copied that. In future I will put this at the top.

The reason why I changed the links is that they didn't have all the data I used (mean max and mean minimum), so I used a more generic reference to include all the data. In future I shall add 2 (or more as needed) specific links in addition to the existing ones instead of simplifying them to a catch-all reference specifying only the station (simple and accurate, but not specific) to better fit the the text-source integrity.

The purpose of my edits are to provide updated/more recent data (where old or no date is given, some weather boxes used quite old data, skewing temps down significantly), and to add the average, mean max and mean min temperatures, which I think give a better understanding of the climate, improving the weather box, rather than indiscriminately adding information.

Does this all sound good? I'll refrain from further edits until I hear back.

Javier1957 (talk) 21:22, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that'd be fine. Just please work with the sources that are already there rather than removing them (adding extra ones is OK). Re dew point/humidity: in my experience the 3PM ones are just implied for Australian places, so there's no need to add an extra specifier. Also, when updating the source, please also update the access date for clarity. Graham87 (talk) 06:54, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

I just added a more specific URL to one of your weather boxes. Two or more sources would be great, when you need them. Mostly what Wikipedia:New pages patrol editors want is a quick way to make sure you're not just making up the numbers.

You can also add a hidden comment so that reviewers and editors will see it, but readers won't. That could look something like this:

|source 1 = NIWA (rainfall 1971–2000)<ref>{{cite web
|url = https://data.niwa.co.nz/products/climate-station-normals/files/675f6dec47ec2f9a22828a83
|title = NIWA Datahub (Agent number: 1582, 23908)
|publisher = NIWA
|access-date = 25 Nov 2024}}<!--The listed URL shows the page with the averages.  Other numbers are in the same database, but there's unfortunately no direct URL for them – click on 'Apply filters' to find them --></ref>

or maybe as two different refs (depending on what's realistically possible and what you think is best):

|source 1 = NIWA (rainfall 1971–2000)<ref>{{cite web
|url = https://data.niwa.co.nz/products/climate-station-normals/files/675f6dec47ec2f9a22828a83
|title = Average temperatures at NIWA Datahub (Agent number: 1582, 23908)
|publisher = NIWA
|access-date = 25 Nov 2024}}</ref><ref>{{cite web
|url = https://data.niwa.co.nz/products/climate-station-normals/files/some-other-page
|title = Extreme temperatures at NIWA Datahub (Agent number: 1582, 23908)
|publisher = NIWA
|access-date = 25 Nov 2024}}</ref>

I want to emphasize that there is no single correct way to do this. Please do something that seems sensible to you and helpful to others, but please don't feel like you have to follow my examples exactly. You know the source and its abilities/limitations much better than I do, and I feel very confident that we can trust you to make reasonable decisions about what might work. If you need specific/technical help (e.g., How do I organize six URLs from the same website?), then you can always ask for help at WT:CITE, or drop a note on my User_talk: page or on Graham's. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:42, 12 December 2025 (UTC)