User talk:Jesushaces

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Thank you for those pictures. It inded makes a lot of difference. But they are somehow blurry, I wonder why. Did you save directly to PNG from Maple? I think one can save with a bigger resolution, and then they may look a bit better. Or one may save them as postscript, and then convert to PNG in some image editor. Also, the number on the axes could be a big bigger (I am sure there is a parameter in Maple to tweak that).

This are all very minor things, it is great you made the pictures. But since you went all the way to make them, putting some minor touches would probably take little time and improve the images a bit. Thank you again for making the pictures. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 18:58, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I replied on my talk page, to keep the conversation in one place. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Greetings, and welcome to Wikipedia. I hope you'll enjoy the community and be a valuable contributor.

You have shown an interest in the article Proof that 0.999... equals 1. Both of your attempts have been rebuffed, so I thought I'd be nice and stop by your page to explain some issues in more detail.

First, you changed a paragraph of discussion to a lump of LaTeX. Oleg Alexandrov reverted that with the comment "Made the whole thing into an ugly image. As per the math style manual, that is to be avoided." His decision was perfectly correct, but his explanation may have left you with the misconception that the only objection was the use of LaTeX. Your present attempt uses the talk page, which is the preferred path for a delicate article. You have avoided the LaTeX and have asked for feedback, which is good Wikipedian behavior.

Unfortunately, you have innocently stepped into an article best left alone. Except for fixing a spelling error, almost any change to the article is liable to precipitate trouble. It may seem like a simple, elementary-school topic. That could hardly be further from the truth! It is in fact subtle, difficult, and confusing. A typical university education would not equip you with the necessary background, probably not even as a mathematics major. Grammar school students get it wrong, but so do high school students, the general public and students of calculus (analysis).

For example, what does it mean to multiply an infinite decimal fraction by 10? This is not something we can take for granted! And what does it mean to subtract one infinite decimal fraction from another. This is a major issue, yet you ignore it. Then we must deal with the infinite result of the subtraction, and assert that we have only zeros, which we discard to get the integer 9. Do you have any idea of the heated discussions this step can raise? I think not. Finally, we go from arithmetic to algebra. Not only is this significant mathematically, it's also a potential obstacle for young readers not familiar with algebra. You assume the algebra without comment.

Each omission is potentially explosive, as history has shown. The article in its current form has been stable for some time now, the longest ever. Please, just leave well enough alone. I do hope you'll understand. Thanks. --KSmrq^T 07:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I have responded to KSmrq on the talk page, but let me summarize: no matter how delicately you treat your digits, there will always be some step at which you must assume that your numbers are real numbers. The quest for precision in the proofs is futile and must be abandoned. Jesushaces, your proposal might not be the best way, but you're looking in the right direction. Melchoir 12:03, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern, but I didn't mean my post as an attack per se; if anything, I'm trying to de-escalate on Wikipedia by giving up on defending myself or the actual mathematics. On the other hand, Uncyclopedia actually encourages flamewars. Melchoir 22:35, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I'll respond on my own page... Melchoir 23:03, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Here's an attempt (hopeful, but, it's something) to rewrite the article in such a way that both parties are satisfied, please edit it, but keep in mind that the intended focus of this article is

• To prove that 0.999... equals 1 exactly
• To contain a section which mentions the reasons why people think that 0.999 is less than 1
• Have a 'stable' version of the article
• End the discussion

Yep it's one of the main problems for vandal fighters. and YTMND is the worst culprit. Ebaums World has been the victim of such attacks more than a few times. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 06:08, 18 February 2006 (UTC) --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 06:08, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a good start, although I think that the main section you added (the reasons why people may think 0.999... < 1) needs some expansion. If it's ok with you, I'd like to make a start on how I feel it needs a little more (perhaps with brief explanations why some of the more basic ones are flawed). Confusing Manifestation 14:51, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm honoured that you've been watching my contributions. I hadn't in fact seen the page you linked to, so thanks for pointing it out. However, I still believe that a welcome message is nice: I'd have loved to have been given a welcome message when I joined at all, never mind before or after editing (I didn't get one!). If there's an actual policy against it, then I shall of course stop, but otherwise, I think it's right to continue. Thanks for your help--Keycard ^(talk) 17:34, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Re-reading my first sentence, I admit that it does seem a bit sarcastic: I didn't mean it that way! Thanks for your late welcome. About these users who don't edit... why can't their accounts simply be deleted, if, say, they don't make an edit within 1 month of opening an account?--Keycard ^(talk) 17:49, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

About the accounts being deleted, I have no idea... to me it might sound like a good idea. I'll check areound and if I find anything, will let you know. Jesushaces

I would like to invite you to check out the userboxes that I have created in Wikipedia! If your Collge/University is not there feel free to make create one or let me known and I'll make it (User: Lufthmark)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Userboxes/Education/Mexico

Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Celestianpower ^háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Celestianpower ^háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing my mistake, reverted to wrong version. Jεsushaceʃ ^{(T @)}

Oh and by the way, if you're looking for someone to help you beta test your vandal box, sing me up! Jεsushaceʃ ^{(T @)} 18:12, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem =D And once I fix a major bug in the revert function, I'll drop you a message with the code to install VB. It's not much at the moment - only two main functions but it's only about a day old ;) - Dinnerbone (^Talk/_Cont) 18:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)