User talk:LisaBrown2012

The article Larry N. Jordan has been proposed for deletion because, under Wikipedia policy, all newly created biographies of living persons must have at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 02:07, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

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Multiple people have been replying to your posts. User:Starfleet Academy is my username (I replied first). I'll be copying this to your talkpage. I will help (ASAP) and you can reply to me here. :) Starfleet Academy Hail my ship 05:25, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi again Lisa. I've added a third party reference, and removed the deletion tag. Now there is another problem that I have discovered; you copied and pasted the Amazon bio on Jordan didn't you? I'm afraid this falls under plagiarism rules now. I know what your thinking, but it doesn't matter that this was submitted to Amazon by him or a rep, Amazon could want the wikipedia article to be changed. (A Big 'if' I know.)

Don't worry I can fix this: you said that you knew him? well... do you have any of his books? A Midwest Today mag? These hopefully will have a small bio somewhere on him? Then with some rewriting and multiple sources, you should have a good article.

I should point out that your really taking on quite a tast here. This is because your coming up against the Biography policies here. I have created an article myself. But it has been ignored by most (even though it isn't flash) because it is a loco, not a human. Humans have rights and for someone that has, at the time of writing, been on Wikipedia for less than 9 hours your doing a great job. Don't give up. :)

PS So someone nasty (*cough* admin) doesn't get onto you; could you remember to sign you posts with this please: ~~~~ (or with the button that's in the editor). I'm always here, and will reply within 48 hours so reply when you can. Happy editing :D Starfleet Academy Hail my ship 08:54, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

PPS You replied fine on my talkpage. :) Starfleet Academy Hail my ship 09:00, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

In your second post about Larry N. Jordan, you added it to the same section as the first: You did well with that. But for your third and fourth posts you created whole new sections: that was confusing, for there was no obvious connection to the earlier posts, and so the later posts had no context. As a result your third post got no meaningful reply. I recommend that when you add information or replies that you keep them in the same section. If for some reason you must start a new section, please provide full context for your question/comment. Thank you —teb728 t c 09:57, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Larry N. Jordan is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Larry N. Jordan until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Orange Mike | Talk 15:11, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi LIsa!

Sorry you've been having trouble with Wikipedia, it's rather Kafkaesque once an article goes down the "deletion" path. I'd be happy to help you with the Jordan article, although it's probably going to be a bit tough saving it (journalists are hard to "source out," for reasons I will explain later). Please feel free to email me directly so that we may communicate more frankly and easily: MutantPop@aol.com. —Tim Davenport, Corvallis, OR. //// Carrite (talk) 18:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Lisa. Your article is out of the danger zone, now. Please not that while it may be unpleasant to have one's articles subjected to the deletion process it really is the only way that wikipedia can make sure that there is any kind of standard for what gets included and what isn't. See it basically as a trial in which it is established through discussion whether a particular piece should be here or not. In this case I had to play the role of the prosecutor. This does not mean that I have anything against you or your article or Mr. Jordan, but it is simply a part of the process by which the standard for inclusion is set. I am glad your article was kept, and that the deletion process inspired an effort to improve it. I wish you the best and hope that you have not been discouraged form contributing to wikipedia in the future. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 20:28, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey Lisa. I've got your message. I had no idea they were going to do that. I find that this is a complete attack on what Wikipedia stands for myself. In the time I've been building this and other wikis I haven't seen a more thoughtless act than that by Orangemike. I can't tell with all this bureaucratic nonsense whether the page will pull through. But you do seem to have more users on your side which is great. I totally agree with you that Mr Jordan should be bioed on Wikipedia. Otherwise why have any biographies then? I can't believe the fuss over this article. You must think that Wikipedia is an terrible place to be. But for me it's a great place to have fun learning new stuff and relax, ha ha or was a relaxing place. Oh well let's just hope reasonable people keep voting. See ya' on the other side! Starfleet Academy Hail my ship 07:41, 10 March 2012 (UTC)