Hi, hope you are well.
I am wondering when you will be able to help get the Warlander horse information correct please? Still not very factual (breed is not named after reference to 'War', is recognised in Europe, no evidence of Ativism and the studbook being quoted has been closed since 2012. Also, the pictured horse is not a registered Warlander, in fact it does not even look like one. Please, would really like to get this page made factual. Thanks Karen Secret Squirrel 101 (talk) 02:23, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
- Hello! Moving the discussion here, per Talk:Warlander, I think we left off needing sources to be refined a bit so we can source and correct what's in there, then add more stuff. (I can go through source material, but it's way easier for me to be pointed to one page than an entire web site.) We also need some uploaded photos with the correct license - if the horse in the photo isn't a Warlander, (though it is labeled as such, though labels can be wrong, and often are), then we need free-license photos of ones that are: Can you provide any photos? I did a search at Flickr for Warlander images and everything had the wrong license. (can't be limited to non-commercial use and can't disallow derivative works) Frankly, th easiest way to have a free image is to upload one you take yourself if that's possible. If you can find other photos or sources and provide the URLs, I can at least see what the licensing is. Photos are a bear! Montanabw(talk) 02:34, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
- For your benefit, here is a page that tells you which kinds of licenses from Flickr images (and anywhere else) we can use on wikipedia and which we cannot. (Copyright is a pain in the butt!) Montanabw(talk) 02:36, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi Montanabw, can you let me know if you read this please.
I am sourcing an image of a registered Warlander horse that will have correct license. Will let you know when I get it.
- Must be either GDFL or Creative Commons copyleft, allowing both derivatives and commercial use. Can't just say "OK to use on WIkipedia" = everybody and their dog copies wikipedia (theya re supposed to do an attribution, but many don't). Frustrating to people wanting to provide images with restrictions, but, well, there you have it! Montanabw(talk) 22:08, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Origin of Warlander name incorrect - Named after person (Dr Warwick Vale), not in reference to War horses. [1]
The studbook also acknowledges this
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The Atavism bit is unsubstantiated in Warlander horses (is applicable to Friesian horses) and there is no link to Reference 7 Maharaj, Akaash (2011). A 21st Century Breeding Programme for the 21st Century Cavalry. Toronto: UNICEF Team Canada. who posted this in the first place. In 20 years has not been any evidence and Warlander now in third generation. Of course it is consideration, but Warlander has bigger genetic pool than all of its base breeds (all registered Friesian and Iberians). What is of more concern to studbook is genetic faults in Friesian horses - WSS believes in 100% transperancy within its studbook and acknowledges that the following genetic defects are known to come from the base breeds of the Warlander and WSS breeders must notify the society if any horses show the following - Cryptorchidism, Monorchidism. Dwarfism, Fallen Crest, Water head/crown head foals (hydrocephalus) and Mesocolic Rente.
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Lastly, the following is contradictory.. No breed-specific Warlander organizations are affiliated to the global Universal Equine Life Number (UELN) foundation,[8] although the Bavarian Specialist Breed Registry (Bayerischer Zuchtverband für Kleinpferde und Spezialpferderassen, or BZKS), which does hold a UELN designation for its studbooks,[9] publishes a Warlander breed standard.
The BZKS has a Warlander studbook and is affiliated to the global Universal Equine Life Number (UELN) foundation.You already have the reference to them on the page.
Best KarenSecret Squirrel 101 (talk) 02:40, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
- I'm going to park this at Talk:Warlander so other editors who may be watching that article know of this discussion. There is no question that a genetic condition in a foundation breed could pop up in a derivative breed. I'll be honest, I'm a volunteer and this isn't high on my priority list, so if you want to add some of this material with the citations, I can clean it up if needed (do so without removing what's in there... some of it is sourced, even if its unfavorable. What you disagree with, either add a [citation needed] tag if it's uncited, or a [dubious – discuss] tag if it is. (the tags look like this when you add them: {{cn}} and {{dubious}}) Montanabw(talk) 22:08, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
