User talk:ThatFungi

MediaWiki message delivery 00:34, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey, TF, please gain some more experience before answering questions from other new editors at the Teahouse. The advice you gave here is not correct -- for one thing, Wikipedia does not generally prefer WP:primary sources for most content; there are major considerations for using such sources, and we always prefer secondary. Questions at Teahouse generally are answered by editors who have significant experience editing. Valereee (talk) 10:36, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee. First, please use ThatFungi and no shorthand. I prefer it that way. I appreciate your comments, however, I am not wrong based on the policy that they may be used in limited circumstances and with secondary and third (tertiary) sources. Therefore, I do not feel that the advice I gave was incorrect at all. The editor was previously directed to the policies and guidelines and I did not want to give a very long answer. I will not answer questions there though as you have ordered me not to. Thank you. ThatFungi (talk) 10:45, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

You said Make sure you have both primary and secondary sources.. That is not only not helpful advice, it's actual bad advice. It's not what editors writing their first article should making sure they do. Valereee (talk) 11:06, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee yes that is my bad, I apologize. Thank you for pointing that out. ThatFungi (talk) 11:09, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for listening. :) Valereee (talk) 11:10, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

No worries. I struck out the bad parts. Thank you again. ThatFungi (talk) 11:12, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Do not change Wikipedia short descriptions just to match Wikidata. Per WP:HOWTOSD, "While the Shortdesc helper tool allows text to be imported from Wikidata, this should be done with caution as Wikidata descriptions do not follow Wikipedia policies". --Paul_012 (talk) 07:20, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Paul 012 You point out about using the tool only. Read the rest of it please. The short description has other criteria if you read through it. Wikidata descriptions can be changed as well to match the article, however, they are to be short and concise. They should not be repeating the title of the article. Please read through it and stop reverting my valid edit as I have done hundreds of these and you are the one with the issue of me doing this. I don’t want to get into an edit war with you so yes I’ll be changing it to meet the requirements. When you use the helper it allows you the ability to import, export, import and edit or override what’s there. It even turns red if you enter too many characters to tell you it is too long. I even asked you not to revert unless we spoke but you decided on your own to just revert my edit. ThatFungi (talk) 07:31, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Paul 012 I will just leave this one be to please you to avoid any edit warring. But you should really read the notes and engage in conversation when someone invites you to such and talk about it and if you are going to post about a “information article” which is neither a policy nor guideline look at the full picture please. ThatFungi (talk) 07:36, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Your edit was very evidently a mistake, changing a good short description to match the bad one on Wikidata for no reason. I didn't see any other possible outcome for this discussion, so went ahead and reverted as waiting till later wouldn't have made a difference. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:51, 10 May 2023 (UTC)