User talk:Zephfya
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Citing sources (e.g. printed sources)
{{help me}} Please :) I can't work out how to add citation and ref links correctly, any help appreciated! Thank you! Zephfya (talk) 02:37, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Use the "ref" template and add the "
<references/>" tag at the end of the page for the reference to be listed.See this example:
Google has a Firefox page. <ref>[http://www.google.com/firefox firefox page] at [[Google]]</ref> <references/>
And its implementation:
Google has a Firefox page. [1]
Thank you for that! I've done the online sources no problem now thanks to you, how do I format that for references from a printed book please?
Use the "citebook" template (you can read about it here). The source code could look like this:
In 1999, David Mumfold's Math lectures were published.<ref>{{cite book |last = Mumford |first = David |authorlink = David Mumford |title = The Red Book of Varieties and Schemes |publisher = [[Springer-Verlag]] |series = Lecture notes in mathematics 1358 |year = 1999 |doi = 10.1007/b62130 |isbn = 354063293X}}</ref> <references/>
In a working mode:
In 1999, David Mumfold's Math lectures were published.[1]
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And you are also recommended to sign each of your messages at talk pages with "~~~~". Further questions are welcome! --Q0k (talk) 06:52, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Talk:The Alchemyst: The Secrets of the Immortal Nicholas Flamel
Hi Zephfya. I'm replying from the helpme you left on the above page. I see you've already gotten advice from Q0k and it's very similar to what I would have said. So, since that still left you undsure of how to do it, let me try breaking it down into hopefully simpler bites.
Anything you place between ref tags (<ref>text</ref>) in an article formats as a footnote when you save wherever you place the template {{Reflist}}. You place the ref tags in the text, but they only appear there when you're looking behind the curtain, at the code in the article while editing. When you are reading the article in normal mode, the citations between ref tags you placed in the text appears in the references section at the end. There are citation templates which can help with formatting, such as {{cite book}}. These go in between the ref tags and make citing easier and more consistent to place. See here for a visual explanation of all this which might help.
So, if this was a sentences in an article that you wanted to place an inline citation to a book at the end, you'd type right here, just after this colon with no space:
<ref>{{cite book
|last = Doe
|first = John
|title = Title of Book
|publisher = Doe Publishing
|location = Chicago
|url = http:///www.book.com
|edition = 3rd
|year = 2009
|isbn = 0-000-000-0000
|accessdate=November 15, 2009}}</ref>
==References==
({Reflist}}
The above is what it would look like when you were in edit mode. However, when you saved this and looked at it in read mode, what you'd see is this:
So, if this was a sentences in an article that you wanted to place an inline citation to a book at the end, you'd type right here, just after this colon with no space:[1]
References
- Doe, John (2009). Title of Book (3rd ed.). Chicago: Doe Publishing. ISBN 0-000-000-0000. Retrieved November 15, 2009.
{{cite book}}: Check|isbn=value: length (help); Check|url=value (help)
Does that help?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 07:20, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes it does, thank you very much for your time and advice, I had two learning curves tonight, the fist QOK helped with and the second you were kind enough to respond to, I hope I have done it all correctly! If not, i'd appreciate any advice on how to bring it up to scratch! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zephfya (talk • contribs)
- To bring what exactly up to scratch? (Please type "::" at the beginning of each line of your reply.) --Q0k (talk) 08:08, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
- Hi Q0k, and thank you for earlier! I meant to bring my edits on the article up to scratch if they aren't, i'm a wiki novice just trying to meet Michael Scott's request!Zephfya (talk) 08:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I can't understand it yet. Who Michael Scott is? (Please type "::::" at the beginning of each line of your next reply.) --Q0k (talk) 08:34, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
- "The article" - I would be really glad to know which one. Thanks in advance! --Q0k (talk) 08:37, 22 November 2009 (UTC) [updated 08:38, 22 November 2009 (UTC)]
- Michael Scott is the author of The secrets of the Immortal Nicholas Flamel series of which the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Alchemyst is the first book Zephfya (talk) 08:41, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
- Hi Q0k, and thank you for earlier! I meant to bring my edits on the article up to scratch if they aren't, i'm a wiki novice just trying to meet Michael Scott's request!Zephfya (talk) 08:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
- You've done great work! That's almost OK. But do you know that
[[Dog]]makes a hyperlink to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog? Just look: Dog. This is senseless to write "[[The Alchemyst, p.21]]", because the page The Alchemyst, p.21 does not exist (this is why the link is red). You should simply write "The Alchemyst, p.21", without any brackets.
- You've done great work! That's almost OK. But do you know that
- Besides, the comma before the title should be replaced by "|", as the teplate looks like
{{quote|You've done great work! That's almost OK.|Q0k|book title}}, but not like this:{{quote|You've done great work! That's almost OK.|Q0k,book title}}.
- Besides, the comma before the title should be replaced by "|", as the teplate looks like
- Book titles are usually enclosed by
''at each side to make them italic. So, the final is "{{quote|That's almost OK.|Q0k|''book title''}}", and it looks like this:
- Book titles are usually enclosed by
You've done great work! That's almost OK.
— Q0k, book title
- I have corrected the first of the templates at the article (now you know that the code
[[The Alchemyst]]gives a link to it:The Alchemyst) you have mentioned. There are about 10 of them uncorrected for your exercise. Any further questions are welcome! --Q0k (talk) 09:03, 22 November 2009 (UTC)- Thank you so much Q0k! I've been at it hours and just couldn't work that last page number glitch out! You're a star and your help is very much appreciated! Zephfya (talk) 09:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
- You've not corrected the quotation of the character "The Witch of Endor", as I see. There, you still have left the wrong configuration "
{{quote|You've done great work! That's almost OK.|Q0k,book title}}", where one "," should be replaced with "|". Please try to correct this one, too. --Q0k (talk) 09:40, 22 November 2009 (UTC)- Thank you for spotting that! I've done that one now too, and also got the Michael Scott links after the quotes to direct to the author as opposed to the generic Michael Scott page! The only one that I just can't resolve is the header Josh Newman, it's still in red (which i now know means something is wrong!) I've worked through the night, it's 9:47 am here in the UK and I shall be seeing those pesky quotation marks in my sleep i'm sure! If you could please be so kind to indulge me your help one last time, could you advise me how to correct that please? I'll get to it as soon as I get back online from a much needed sleep! You've been wonderful help, thank you so much for your time and patience!
- You've not corrected the quotation of the character "The Witch of Endor", as I see. There, you still have left the wrong configuration "
- Thank you so much Q0k! I've been at it hours and just couldn't work that last page number glitch out! You're a star and your help is very much appreciated! Zephfya (talk) 09:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
- I have corrected the first of the templates at the article (now you know that the code
- Congratulations! Wonderful improvement to the article "The Alchemyst".
- You know what? I have never used the "
quote" template before. This is the first time I've used it - now! The key is to know where to search for template documentation: at Wikipedia:Templates. --Q0k (talk) 10:15, 22 November 2009 (UTC)- Ah, bless you! Wouldn't have been able to do it without all your help and advice! I shall sleep with a smile now thanks to you and your lovely comment! Then I shall return later and address the rest of the articles for this series that need cleaning up! You did an awesome job coaching this newbie! Zephfya (talk) 10:21, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Reference attribution
Hi again Zephfya. I have reformatted all of the references you placed and I thought I'd describe a few issues since you are planning on sourcing other articles. You should provide full attribution, which includes, where available, author's name, publisher, date of publication and date you accessed the source. For example, for the Variety reference, the publisher is Variety. The author is Dave McNary, as listed on the Variety site, where the date of publication is also listed. Also, the title of the piece is whatever it is entitled at the external source (not "link" or "review"). So the full reference is:
<ref name=Variety.com>{{cite web |first=Dave|last=McNary|title=DiBonaventura sets up 'Secret' Company to produce 'Nicholas Flamel' series |url=http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118011546.html?categoryid=13&cs=1|date=November 18, 2009|publisher=Variety|accessdate=November 22, 2009}}</ref>
The order the parameters are placed is irrelevant by the way. In other words, you can place |accessdate= first, and |title= last, or any other order, and it does not impact on how the reference formats. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:22, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
- P.S. If the author is unlisted, you can place "Staff writers". Also, the first source is of highly dubious reliability. It's just a wiki where someone has placed a review. Please see Wikipedia:Reliable sources. I have tagged it as such.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:30, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for doing that Fughettaboutit! Both you and Q0k have been absolute stars with your advice and patience with me!I would welcome any advice you have on how to modify that first para, would the synopsis from the book cover be a good idea for that? I don't know where that description came from as it was placed there by another contributor!Zephfya (talk) 20:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
- You're most welcome. Well, I don't know about modifying the first paragraph—the whole lead could do with a rewrite to be a summary of the article, per that guideline, but there are many other sources to mine on a quick look. Check out: , , , , and .--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:38, 22 November 2009 (UTC) 21:37, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for doing that Fughettaboutit! Both you and Q0k have been absolute stars with your advice and patience with me!I would welcome any advice you have on how to modify that first para, would the synopsis from the book cover be a good idea for that? I don't know where that description came from as it was placed there by another contributor!Zephfya (talk) 20:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, i've re-worded the lead and made it concise and current, and removed the other contributors review, created a plot summary section with the summary from the book itself and put current links for everything I could think of to do! The page still has a request box at the top asking for sources and refs..but I don't understand why, could you take a look please and advise me what i need to do next to meet the criteria it's asking for? And the same with the "unreliable source" message after a couple of the links i've placed, I don't understand why the sources i've used would be classed as unreliable, so if you could explain, i'd be most grateful!Thank you so much!Zephfya (talk) 02:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
- LOL! You added all those unreliable source templates yourself! I took care of it. I had added the template {{RS}} (which renders as:[unreliable source?]) to only the first citation (the one that was already present in the article). You removed that citation but you also apparently used the citation format from that citation, including the {{RS}} template I had added, as an example for the code in your most recent citations. Thus, when you added them you flagged each of them as unreliable sources by including the {{RS}} template. If you look you'll see that there are still uncited sentences in the article (outside of the plot summary, which doesn't need any) so the refimprove template is still relevant. I'll take a look at the structure soon and see if I can tweak it a bit to meet our style standards.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:45, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
- DOH! *head, desk!* I'm such a muppet! That's what I get for following everything to the letter! Lololol! You have the patience of a saint.. and i have a large hole in my desk! Zephfya (talk) 06:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
- I've now done the first pass on the next book of the series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magician:_The_Secrets_of_the_Immortal_Nicholas_Flamel is there anything that you'd like me to improve there? Many thanks for your expert eyes and advice!Zephfya (talk) 06:42, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
- LOL! You added all those unreliable source templates yourself! I took care of it. I had added the template {{RS}} (which renders as:[unreliable source?]) to only the first citation (the one that was already present in the article). You removed that citation but you also apparently used the citation format from that citation, including the {{RS}} template I had added, as an example for the code in your most recent citations. Thus, when you added them you flagged each of them as unreliable sources by including the {{RS}} template. If you look you'll see that there are still uncited sentences in the article (outside of the plot summary, which doesn't need any) so the refimprove template is still relevant. I'll take a look at the structure soon and see if I can tweak it a bit to meet our style standards.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:45, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, i've re-worded the lead and made it concise and current, and removed the other contributors review, created a plot summary section with the summary from the book itself and put current links for everything I could think of to do! The page still has a request box at the top asking for sources and refs..but I don't understand why, could you take a look please and advise me what i need to do next to meet the criteria it's asking for? And the same with the "unreliable source" message after a couple of the links i've placed, I don't understand why the sources i've used would be classed as unreliable, so if you could explain, i'd be most grateful!Thank you so much!Zephfya (talk) 02:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Images
{{help me}} Hi there, can i please have some guidance on how to insert an image into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Necromancer:_The_Secrets_Of_The_Immortal_Nicholas_Flamel I have the cover image for that and would like to update that article too, but i can't find any advice on the help pages to tell me if the image needs to be from an online source or from my hard drive! All your advice is greatly appreciated! Many thanks in advance!Zephfya (talk) 10:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
periods
When a reference is at the end of a sentence, it should be situated before period (full stop, "."). Please make further corrections: period forgotten, period placed before reference. Q0k (page, talk, contributions) 05:28, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
- P.S. I've found out that you are the creator of the page The Secrets of the Immortal Nicholas Flamel. Congratulations! Q0k (page, talk, contributions) 05:28, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Michael Scott
recommend write more about his books and his life. the lead is meant to summarise the article, at the moment, some parts of the lead don't appear in the article and the first section is 'Online Games', so there should be a section discussing his books. recommend inline citation for every paragraph after the lead, also maybe good to have some criticism to show the other side Tom B (talk) 15:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Many thanks for the advice, much appreciated! Will work on those areas :) Zephfya (talk) 15:36, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Adoption
Hey Zephfya, I've placed the template on your userpage like you saw, so now you're officially adopted! I don't have a special program or anything for you to do, although some guys do, but here's my talkpage link: user_talk:Fleetflame. You can ask me a question there anytime, and I'll answer as soon as I can. Otherwise, you know how to find me in the help channel on IRC. Good luck, and see you around! Fleetflame · whack! whack! · 23:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
I couldn't be happier ..or more thankful :) Your help and advice have kept me sane and got my first article built.. can't think of anyone I'd rather be adopted by, you totally rock and you know it!Zephfya (talk) 23:48, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- Hey Zephfya, just checking in to see how things are going. Leave me a message if you need anything. Otherwise, Cheers! :-] Fleetflame · whack! whack! · 17:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Children's Lit Assessment and Book Pages for The Secrets Of The Immortal Nicholas Flamel
I am shortly, or already have, assessed several pages for books in this series. I noticed on the talk pages you'd asked for assessment. That notice did not draw attention at our project page. As you continue to update the pages if you would like reassessment please feel free to make a request at our requesting assessment page. There are a couple of us who are active at the moment in assessing pages.
As I assess the pages I notice that some of the content is similar from page to page, including information about the video games and film. Information on a specific page should be about that specific book. So, for instance, since there only seems to be one film in the works, at least from what I can gleam from the info presented, it should just be on the page for The Alchemist and the series pages. You are clearly passionate about the series and I wish you the best of luck as you continue to edit and improve the pages. Your truly, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:48, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for the advice! I do plan on giving them all a good polish, they were my first attempts and I wanted to know how I was doing, so much appreciate the pointers! Yes, only one film in production at the moment, it will incorporate the first two books, the rights to make the films for the whole series were brought by Mr Di Bonaventura. Zephfya (talk) 23:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Request for interview
Hi Zephfya -
I'm a professor working with the GroupLens project at the University of Minnesota, trying to learn about how the adopt-a-user program functions so that we can hopefully develop tools and ideas that might improve it. Your user page indicates you have been adopted... would you be willing to have a conversation with me so I could ask you a bunch of questions about your interactions with the adopt-a-user program? (I'd be willing to do a phone call, instant messaging, or whatever way you would best prefer to do it.) I'm hoping that as a result of having a few of these conversations with people, I'll better understand how users in general get involved, how the adoptee / adopter pairings work out, and so on. Let me know. Thanks! SeparateWays (talk) 19:40, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
- Hi there,
Yes, I'd be more than happy to do that :) You may not want to take the phone call route (although i'm more than happy to) as i'm in the UK! If you want to shoot me an email so we can make the arrangements. Best wishes, Jules.
- Great, thanks! I've sent you email. SeparateWays (talk) 20:22, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for being so helpful -- it was much appreciated! (Figured I should add some closure here.) SeparateWays (talk) 20:44, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
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