Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate

Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate

It's a college rivalry, which in my opinion isn't all that notable, and apparently google agrees. All colleges have rivalries, but the only people that have any interest in them are current students and those closely involved in the program. Also, it's not particularly well written, and everything it mentions could probably be summed up into the articles of the colleges themselves (if they haven't been already.) tmopkisn ^tlka 00:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete -this is the second time we have had one of these Georgia rivalries and the other was deleted. Interstate cups between colleges are not-notable. BlueValour 00:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• delete per above. OzLawyer 01:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Professional teams in the USA are few and far between. College teams and rivalries take on the level of pro teams in those areas. Some are as well known as the 'Old Firm' is in Europe. --DarkAudit 02:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment - that point is taken but any local trophy between just two pro league teams, at any sport, would, I suggest be non-notable. BlueValour 03:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete If there's nowhere for this in the individual college articles or College rivalry, then there sure isn't anything here worthy of its own article. There are hundreds of college rivalries in the USA alone. If this one's as well known as the Old Firm, let's see some evidence, and if it's genuinely convincing, I will gladly switch my vote. --DaveG12345 03:12, 7 July 2006 (UTC) (see below --DaveG12345 05:22, 7 July 2006 (UTC))
• Keep The Georgia Tech vs. Georgia rivalry is, in comparison to many of the List of NCAA college football rivalry games articles which aren't up for deletion, a much more notable rivalry. The rivalry engages the entire populace of the state of Georgia (8,000,000 people) once a year for football, once a year for basketball, and three times a year for baseball. This is what American sporting is about, hardcore rivalries. They keep the games interesting and intense. I personally have never heard of the Old Firm rivalry in the United States but the average American college sports fan knows that Georgia Tech and Georgia hate eachother's guts. As a previous poster's mentioned, college sports and college rivalries in the United States are equivalent to European club rivalries. You guys get your rivalries, we've get ours. It can be stubbed, if need be.--Excaliburhorn 11:56, July 6, 2006
  • Comment: I'd just like to point out that only two of the articles on that chart (Battle for Nevada and Catholics vs. Convicts) got fewer google hits then the one in question. Now, I realize that this isn't a sure-fire way to judge the article's notability, but I just wanted to inform you that some of those rivalries aren't as obscure as you might think. tmopkisn ^tlka 04:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Retort: Your Zadar Cow got many less hits than the article in question. I'm very displeased with this whole procedure. I recommend a stubbing and moving on.--Excaliburhorn 12:44, July 7, 2006
• I found quite a few references to the rivalry that didn't always refer to the title of this article, so I'm going Keep and trusting you guys on the notability, before The Varsity Match ends up in here. ;-) BTW, I think there may be a mistake in the List of NCAA college football rivalry games , since the list states this rivalry is a few years older than the Deep South's Oldest Rivalry. --DaveG12345 05:22, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: You are correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Excaliburhorn (talk • contribs)
• Having lived in Georgia, I know first-hand that people go crazy about it: Georgia fans don't use mustard (as yellow is Georgia Tech's colour), GT fans don't use ketchup for the same reason. If you get married to a person who went to the other school, both families disown you. So therefore, Keep. It's a big part of the social fabric of the state of Georgia.--ChicosBailBonds 05:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Although this article can definitely use some cleanup/expansion, the rivalry is both historic and huge in the state of Georgia and has involved mainly notable coaches (e.g. John Heisman, Pop Warner, Bobby Dodd, Vince Dooley, Bill Curry, Bobby Ross). --Roswell native 12:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable college rivalry. Per DarkAudit, I'd say that college sports is bigger than pro sports through most parts of the southeast. That said, I'm not running out to create an article for the Textile Bowl, but Tech–Georgia is a biggie as rivalries go. —C.Fred (talk) 13:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I lived in Jacksonville, FL for three years. Florida and Florida State football got far more press than the NFL Jaguars, even when the Jaguars were in the playoffs. --DarkAudit 14:21, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I'm surprised this is being considered for deletion. This is certainly a notably sports rivalry. Johntex\^talk 14:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Seems well written and referenced. There is often a statewide (if not wider) interest in big college rivalries. --Ryanminier 16:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This is part of {{WikiProject College football}} and for completeness on the subject matter, must be included. --Mecu 17:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Being from Michigan, I know how huge rivalries can be, with MSU and Ohio State. I say keep because rivalries are perhaps the biggest part of college football, many times even more important that what bowl a team makes it to. Bornagain4 17:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Very notable rivalry. Dsreyn 18:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The Little Brown Jug (football) and Paul Bunyan Trophy both have articles, to cite two of many examples. JChap 20:36, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Important enough of a rivalry for Wikipedia to possess an article about it. youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 01:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It has its own name, it has multiple print sources, it's quite important to a few million people in the state of Georgia. Notable enough for WP. VT hawkeye_{talk to me} 01:19, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It is part a project and has notability CJC47 18:31, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

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