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Dawn Evans

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Non-notable person who, while elected to the state legislature, left the state before taking office, fails GNG. Talthiel (talk) 00:04, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

• Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2025 July 4. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 00:27, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep: WP:NPOL says that notability "applies to people who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them". So, even though she never took office, I believe the article has sufficient notability.

Notaoffensivename (talk) 06:14, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

The thing is she will never assume office, she left the state before she could. They even held a special election recently because her leaving caused the seat to be vacant upon the opening of the 2025 New Hampshire legislative session. Talthiel (talk) 15:07, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women, and New Hampshire. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 08:07, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete. If she never held office and never will due to the aforementioned special election, I fail to see how she is notable enough to require an article. MayhemStoppingBy (talk) 18:47, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect to 2024 New Hampshire House of Representatives election. Yue🌙 22:41, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep I created this page per WP:NPOL which says that notability "applies to people who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them". Moondragon21 (talk) 15:29, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

  The key word is "yet". Evans will never assume office as she left the district to live elsewheree, and bar being elected in that new area, she is otherwise not notable. Talthiel (talk) 15:17, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. Does meet WP:NPOL, when it states: "This also applies to people who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them", which this sentence specifies winning an election to a notable seat, but haven't been seated which this can clarify Evans being notable. There is the list List of members-elect of the United States House of Representatives who never took their seats, and all of them have blue links, and the list includes people who have not held offices before and were just member-elects to their first public office that they won the election for. MoviesandTelevisionFan (talk) 20:40, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
  • Reply. Election to a national legislature is far more notable than election to a subnational legislature, particularly a legislature with very small constituencies. A cursory glance at the individuals at the list you mention shows that many of them would qualify under different notability guidelines. Jack Swigert was an astronaut. Samuel Marx was a member of the New York City Council. Even in cases where I think notability may not otherwise be present, Luke Letlow was a particularly prominent COVID death. The articles are not X was elected to Y and then resigned before anything happened. Do you have three really good sources that back up Dawn Evans having a stand-alone article?--Mpen320 (talk) 14:51, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: WP:NPOL question aside, are additional sources likely to exist for WP:NOPAGE purposes? If all the article can ever say is "X is a politician who was elected in Y year, but refused their seat", then a redirect to the election article with a note they refused to be seated is sufficient. My experience with writing articles for NH state representatives, of which I have done several, is that non-incumbent/non-controversial candidacies themselves typically do not receive much coverage due to the nature of the state house. Curbon7 (talk) 23:32, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

  This is what I was thinking too. Certainly passes WP:NPOL, but we should consider a redirect per NOPAGE. I had a challenge even finding significant coverage that explained the subject's refusal to be seated and minimal coverage about the election itself. As examples, the article (as it existed on July 6), has a mention that the subject is a small business owner, but nothing more and there are certain attestations attributed to the local Democrats page, which I wasn't able to find a better source. - Enos733 (talk) 02:13, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

  Redirect Based on my above comment. Curbon7 (talk) 20:53, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting for further discussion of WP:NOPAGE concerns.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Left guide (talk) 00:29, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect to 2024 New Hampshire House of Representatives election. Article will be a permastub and NOPAGE better applies in this case. मल्ल (talk) 16:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect to 2024 New Hampshire House of Representatives election as an alternative to deletion. As far as the part of WP:NPOL stating "applies to people who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them", I believe that is meant to clarity it is not a violation of WP:CRYSTAL to create an article for a state legislator-elect and thus we can avoid numerous AfDs for people who will (in 99.9% of cases) take office within a few weeks. I do not believe it means that every state legislator-elect is inherently notable even when there is a lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. I consider this a BLP1E situation (if that) and so I think a redirect is the best approach. Such an approach is also in line with WP:NOPAGE. --Mpen320 (talk) 15:32, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:41, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep - that's current policy. When the consensus changes it should be obvious. Bearian (talk) 20:29, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect to 2024 New Hampshire House of Representatives election per my comments earlier. --Enos733 (talk) 19:59, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect to the 2024 election. The words have not, and will not mean very different things. From NPOL, have not yet assumed office implies that they will, and if an individual will never assume office then there is no claim to WP:LASTING notability. Agree that the wording at NPOL is used to avoid AFDs weeks before the individual assumes office. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:48, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Redirect: it’s my understanding from Bearcat that it’s not enough to keep an article, even if the subject won an election, if the article basically states the subject exists, the end. Which this article basically does. So I’m leaning towards redirect.Nnev66 (talk) 20:09, 24 July 2025 (UTC) !Voting redirect Nnev66 (talk) 11:40, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. There is almost even split between Keep here and Redirection.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:40, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect to 2024 New Hampshire House of Representatives election: per above comments, per wp:NPOL 👑 KingBegger · 💬 · ⚔️ 10:09, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect: per the above comments the WP:PAG based arguments and the key word yet in NPOL which are stronger arguments to me. Moritoriko (talk) 03:33, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect WP:NPOL is a very strong presumption, but I think this has several unique elements to it: New Hampshire has possibly the lowest representative to citizen ratio anywhere in the world, so getting elected on its own is not that big of a deal. If she had been seated then there would be an NPOL pass, but everything we can say about her we can say on the elections page - there's not enough here for a stand-alone. SportingFlyer T·C 08:18, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect to the election; the premise of WP:NPOL autonotability is that their role as a legislator will become notable on the basis of things that they did, and so if they did nothing there's nothing to say. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:27, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

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