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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. Many of the !votes in this widely attended AfD carry little if any P&G weight. It's hard to escape the impression that at least some of them were politically motivated, rather than a bona fide attempt to examine notability. I do not see a serious attempt to engage with the thorough source review presented by GorillaWarfare and by Generalrelative. And while a redirect to 2026 United States Senate election in Maine would be a sensible alternative to deletion, it cannot be an alternative to retention absent consensus against keeping the page as a standalone article. The broad participation dissuaded me from relisting this AfD, as consensus is unlikely to form at this point. Please do not renominate for at least three months. Owen× ☎ 15:28, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

Graham Platner

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Oyster farmer and US Senate candidate. His initial campaign launch received a ton of media coverage, but that's not proof of enduring notability. If he loses the Senate race, will he still be getting this much media attention? Will people still be searching his name in 10 years? Previous discussions have mostly found that being a major-party Senate candidate doesn't automatically make someone notable. See, for example, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eric Hovde. Also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kellen Curry for an example of a candidate who generated a ton of media coverage when he first announceed his campaign, but that coverage quickly dried up and his page was deleted. I'd support a redirect to 2026 United States Senate election in Maine. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 00:51, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

  • Keep. I created this article just over an hour ago and was easily able to populate it with well-sourced content from several full articles devoted entirely to the subject, from major sources like NBC News , Politico , The Boston Globe , and The Guardian . This is not passing coverage but real, biographical content and analysis. Frankly I'm just getting started given the amount of significant coverage this figure is receiving. See also e.g. The New York Times , ABC News , The American Prospect , The Nation , as well as local news WGME and Bangor Daily News . Reference to the other AfD discussions in the nom appear to be WP:OTHERSTUFF rather than testament to a consensus on the enduring significance of U.S. senate candidates. Judging by core P&G alone, this figure clearly passes the threshold of WP:GNG, and the purpose of the encyclopedia is well served by compiling this biographical information, which our readers will be very reasonably expecting to find here. Note that per WP:POLITICIAN, an unelected candidate for political office ... can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline. Generalrelative (talk) 01:04, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
    I will note in response to those citing WP:SUSTAINED that the part of the guideline relevant to BLPs focuses on avoiding coverage of 1) "low-profile individuals", and 2) those whose coverage amounts to little more than promotional "churnalism".
    With regard to 1), if we consult WP:LOWPROFILE, we find that Persons who actively seek out media attention are not low-profile.
    With regard to 2), even a cursory examination of the 23 sources currently cited in the article will show that they are largely substantive in their coverage, and cover various aspects of this candidate's biography. They are in no way the type of churnalism –– based on reproductions or close paraphrasing of press releases –– that the guideline warns us to avoid.
    Further, even if one looks beyond the BLP-related content of the guideline to the part covering events and organizations, we find that the limitation is meant to cover topics which lack sufficient coverage. The sheer number of original, independent articles covering a variety of facets of this individual's life and campaign attest to the fact that the "sufficient coverage" test is met.
    I hesitate to make an OTHERSTUFF argument, but let's be real: what percentage of biographical articles on en-Wiki have this degree of high-quality, in-depth coverage? It's certainly less than half. Yes, this person may lose his race and sink back into relative obscurity, but he will remain –– due to the sheer quantity of coverage he's received so far –– more notable than most of the other people we have bios of.
    In short, the actual text of SUSTAINED does not support the arguments of delete/redirect !voters. Generalrelative (talk) 23:58, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
    This is also an OTHERSTUFF point, so take it for what it is, but I would note that fellow Maine political candidate (governor, not Senate) Angus King III was recently kept at AfD with substantially less coverage than Platner has received. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 15:51, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment a while back I did a small WP:BEFORE on the subject and found this coverage of the individual not relating to campaign: , . Probably not enough but just making a note here Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 01:30, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
    Interesting, thanks. Generalrelative (talk) 01:45, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
  • Restore the redirect I created and draftify the attempt at an article. I agree he's not notable. This coverage will pass if he loses. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:37, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
  • Delete: I'm not sure a viral video is enough to show notability, sure he's cool now, but that doesn't give us notability as explained by the nom. Coverage is all rather recent, mostly around the campaign or the video. Oaktree b (talk) 02:59, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep: Nominating this an hour after the stub was created is demolishing the house while it's still being built a wee bit. Keep for now, as the RS added since shows sigcov; if coverage isn't sustained, then put it up again in the future. In the meantime, I'm leaning WP:TOOSOONDEL. Nil🥝 03:32, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Military, and Maine. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 07:44, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
  • Delete or Redirect as suggested by the nom (which is common with many candidates for office). I'm not seeing any indication of military notability from the very sparse information about his service (many, many people did multiple tours in Afghanistan and/or Iraq). Intothatdarkness 14:39, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep. It seems like some people view the fact that candidates for office are not inherently notable to mean that candidates for office can't be notable. Platner easily passes the WP:GNG with significant coverage in local and national outlets, and even the occasional international outlet (Jerusalem Post). Adding to the source list above, he's received in-depth coverage from Reuters, The New Republic, MSNBC, Mother Jones, Common Dreams, Maine Morning Star, and Portland Press Herald. Some of the sources even remark on the unusual amount of coverage for a candidate: "Who is Sen. Collins challenger Graham Platner and why is he everywhere right now?" (WBUR), "Maine oyster farmer’s bid to unseat Susan Collins immediately gains national attention" (Portland Press Herald). GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 18:17, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
  • Redirect to 2026 United States Senate election in Maine. Candidates for political office rarely if ever have enough to meet WP:NPOL or WP:POLOUTCOMES. Are we still talking about Christine O'Donnell? Folks can add information about the candidates to the article about the election itself if they lack the notability for a stand-alone article. If he wins in 2026 we can re-assess. Bkissin (talk) 23:00, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
  • Redirect to 2026 United States Senate election in Maine as an AtD. First, Wikipedia is not news and it’s not a crystal ball for future notability. One-time candidates are people (at best) notable for one thing and I don’t think he is even that. I concede he does not fit perfectly into WP:BLP1E, but I think he does fit. He is only covered in the context of his candidacy. While a candidate is a high profile individual, he was not a high profile individual before his candidacy and there is no evidence he will not revert to being a low profile individual after the election which is what happens to an overwhelming majority of candidates. The event of a US Senate election is notable, but not so notable its participants should have individual-specific stand alone articles for merely any length of participation. If one conceded notability (I don’t), WP:BIO1E states as one of many candidates for the party’s nomination whose candidacy has been for less than two weeks, he is a minor participant at best and should not have a stand alone article. Relatedly, if the subject was abducted by aliens tomorrow, can anyone tell me what would be the contribution to the historic record? How has he changed American campaigning or American politics? What has even been his impact on the course of this race? And are those impacts really so great that they warrant a stand alone article for the individual? It's too soon to assume he will be a Christine O'Donnell-level note in American elections history. I also think WP:NOPAGE supports that this article be redirected to the election.--Mpen320 (talk) 23:20, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
  • Redirect to 2026 United States Senate election in Maine per WP:NOTNEWS, WP:TOOSOON. I spent some time over the last year cleaning up stubs of old articles for has-been UKIP candidates who never held office and maybe ran for leader at some point, with no recent coverage. Sure, they had some coverage back in the day, but over time the articles became abandoned. I think an article for Platner, my own views aside, would be more appropriate if he's successful. PlateOfToast (talk) 02:09, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep Notable candidate in an important Senate race. There's been a significant amount of media coverage of Platner's entry into the race. Anthonyt31201 (talk) 08:13, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
  • Delete or Redirect: Platner is currently only notable for a single event, the 2026 Senate Democratic primary. If he were to actually win the primary, there could be an argument for an article. However, as of now, he is only known for his involvement in this one event, which does not meet the notability criteria, even if reliable secondary sources exist. See WP:SUSTAINED.
Emac07 (talk) 23:15, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
  • Redirect to 2026 United States Senate election in Maine. I wish there was some way of preventing people from creating articles based on news stories. No evidence of sustained coverage. (It would be great if there was some community board where we could vote to prevent news stories from becoming articles before they reach AFD.) Esolo5002 (talk) 03:23, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
  • Redirect to 2026 United States Senate election in Maine. This is by far the most common outcome for such candidates. Bearian (talk) 13:20, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment: It is sad to me that we might delete this article based on "the most common outcome for such candidates" when even a cursory glance at the article and its now 25 sources indicates that this bio is the exception rather than the norm. I'll also say in response to Esolo5002 that while Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS, news stories from reputable outlets are perfectly reliable for sourcing encyclopedic content, per WP:NEWSORG. The news stories cited here are neither WP:ROUTINE nor WP:BREAKING but rather indicate that Platner is a major figure in a significant event (the 2026 US Senate election), and thus of enduring notability. Generalrelative (talk) 16:46, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
In case anyone is tempted to !vote without surveying the sources, here is a handy chart:
More information Publication, Title ...
25 references currently supporting the article
PublicationTitleSubstantial, independent coverage?
Highest quality national sources
The New York Times"In Maine, a Political Novice Makes a Long-Shot Bid to Oust Collins"checkY
ABC News"Graham Platner, oysterman and harbormaster from rural Maine, enters race to challenge Sen. Susan Collins"checkY
NBC News"Iraq and Afghanistan veteran launches Democratic campaign against Sen. Susan Collins in Maine"checkY
High quality international sources
The Independent"Bernie Sanders breaks with Democrats and endorses popular oyster farmer running against Susan Collins"checkY
The Guardian"This Maine oysterman thinks Democrats are doing ‘jack’ about fascism. So he’s running for US Senate"checkY
The Jerusalem Post"'There is a genocide in Palestine': US Marine vet. Graham Platner launches Maine senate campaign"checkY
Other major national sources
The Boston Globe"Who is Graham Platner, and can he beat Susan Collins?"checkY
Politico"Maine oyster farmer wants to upend Democratic politics with Senate bid"checkY
Politico"Sanders wades into one of Democrats' best Senate pickup opportunities"checkY
The New Republic"The Political Awakening of the Oyster Farmer Taking on Susan Collins"checkY
New York Magazine (Intelligencer)"Can a Populist Oyster Farmer End Susan Collin's Career?"checkY
MSNBC"Democratic Maine oyster farmer to challenge Susan Collins"checkY
Rolling Stone"Bernie Sanders Endorses Populist Oyster Farmer Running Against Susan Collins"checkY
Explicitly partisan sources
The Nation"Graham Platner Is the Real Deal"checkY
Mother Jones"Control of the Senate Could Be Decided in Maine. This Oyster Farmer Is Vying to Unseat Susan Collins."checkY
The American Prospect"Maine’s Populist Senate Candidate Thinks We Are in a New Gilded Age"checkY
Common Dreams"'The Oligarchy Is the Enemy': Maine Oyster Farmer Launches Senate Bid to Oust Susan Collins"checkY
Local news sources
The Portland Press Herald"Maine oyster farmer’s bid to unseat Susan Collins immediately gains national attention"checkY
WGME"Maine oysterman Graham Platner raises $1M in 9 days, challenging Sen. Collins"checkY
Midcoast Villager"Can This Oyster Farmer Beat Susan Collins?"checkY
Midcoast Villager"It's a Very Dynamic Flavor"checkY
Bangor Daily News"Unions hunted for a Susan Collins challenger. They found an unknown oysterman."checkY
Maine Public Radio"Who is Graham Platner and why is he everywhere right now?"checkY
Other
Zeteo"Meet the Disillusioned Veteran Who Thinks He Can Beat Susan Collins in Maine"checkY
Graham Platner for U.S. Senate"About"X markN
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Generalrelative (talk) 22:27, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
Delete or redirect: He isn't really notable for anything and nobody needs a page for an oyster farmer or whoever he is, I would only support this if he was really backed by democrats and seen as the "presumptive nominee" Austin2626 (talk) 22:13, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep Platner has recently been endorsed by Senator Bernie Sanders, making his candidacy relatively notable.[1] RealAmericanNixonite (talk) 01:48, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

References

  • Delete per WP:NPOLITICIAN. Get elected first. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:55, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
    I hate to bludgeon, but WP:NPOLITICIAN is explicit that an unelected candidate for political office ... can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline. And this person obviously passes WP:GNG. Generalrelative (talk) 22:55, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
    You are not bludgeoning; that is a valid point. My reading of that guideline is that notability is required beyond routine coverage of the election. Elections generate transient coverage in the interest of informing the public about the candidates so they can make an informed decision when it comes to voting. So in my mind it is akin to the weather report. Now, if he were notable as an oyster farmer or a leatherneck, I would agree. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:28, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
    I other words, if he loses the election, will we ever hear from him again? (WP:BIO1E) Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:30, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
    I appreciate your thoughtful reply. Our differing views may just come down to differing interpretations of the scope of this sentence from WP:BIO1E: If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate. I have argued above that Platner now plays a large role in the 2026 US Senate election –– consider this from The New Republic: That he’s been added as speaker at Bernie Sanders’s anti-oligarchy rally on Labor Day is unsurprising. That Sanders has had to move the rally to a bigger venue since Platner got on the bill is telling. –– and that this election is a highly significant event. Which means that yes, according to BIO1E, Platner has enduring notability even if he loses. This is certainly up for debate, but it's within a reasonable reading of the guideline. Cheers, Generalrelative (talk) 22:34, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Redirect to the article about the election. I agree he does not meet WP:NPOLITICIAN and he does not seem to merit an article just as a notable person broadly; I doubt extensive sources exist for his fishing career or his holding the post of Harbor Master. 331dot (talk) 17:35, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure why this is even flagged. Graham Platner is all over main stream media right now. This is a completely valid entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.255.236.74 (talk) 19:15, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

  • Wait until primary is over I don't feel comfortable with camping for deletion notices on pages, and this certainly feels like an example of that. Should wait until primary is over, if Platner wins then the page stays up, if he loses, the page gets taken down. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:30, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep: Due to the amount of coverage he recieved. Lertaheiko (talk) 21:28, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep The table offered by Generalrelative above demonstrates the subject easily meets WP:GNG. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:57, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep If we're being fair, unless he loses the primary and isn't the nominee, I don't think an article should be deleted preemptively. The rush to do so, frankly, seems politically motivated than anything. Sunnyboi18 17:34, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep. Graham Platner may not meet the Wikipedia criteria for notability for politicians, but he certainly does by any straightforward reading of the general criteria (significant coverage in reliable independent sources). The 2026 United States Senate election in Maine page should link to this one, not stand in as a poor substitute for all the useful information on here that has been aggregated from numerous good sources. I attended a rally today in Portland with Bernie Sanders that included this guy, who I didn't know anything about. As usual, I looked him up on Wikipedia rather than doing a general internet search. Lo and behold, a very coherent Wikipedia page exists that provides a great deal of useful information, all of it responsibly sourced so it can be factchecked. No doubt this page will only grow as his campaign gains steam. Even if it were the case that he didn't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines and policies, that would only mean that those guidelines are in need of revision. One final point: I agree with the immediately above poster that the rush to delete seems politically motivated, noting that, if the person who created the page is correct (first response post above), it was up for only an hour before there was a movement to take it down. Even if not politically motivated, this seems like a classic example of WP:TOOSOONDEL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.167.36.238 (talk) 01:32, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep. within days of candidacy announcement, he's got national buzz, sharing stage with rockstar Bernie Sanders. No offense intended, but other challengers are unknowns. Much appreciate all the article links Generalrelative — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Doug Grinbergs (talk) 08:11, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep. As a Maine voter hearing about Platner for the first time I immediately wanted to know more about him and, as is my practice turned to Wikipedia. Anecdotally, at least, that constitutes notability. 69.53.69.92 (talk) 12:46, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
    No, that actually has nothing at all to do with notability. 331dot (talk) 21:02, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
    Our primary goal here is to build an encyclopedia. If a lot of people are coming to WP expecting to find information on Platner –– and as of right now the view count stands at 6,866 –– that goal is served by having an article about him. I think this is a more charitable interpretation of what the IP means by notability. Generalrelative (talk) 22:40, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep notable per WP:BIO.--User:Namiba 14:02, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
Keep: I agree that he's notable under WP:GNG but disagree that he's notable under WP:BIO (I'd say Dan Osborn, who at least has another notable-ish event to tie him to in his page, would have worked under that back when we were arguing on deleting his page in 2024). GardenCosmos (talk) 16:48, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep. Ignoring arguments that state that this should not be deleted because he might win, which would not be in line with policy, I am !voting to keep. Per WP:POLOUTCOMES (which is not policy, I might add), candidates for major office are not necessarily considered notable. An unelected candidate always fails WP:NPOL. Coverage of political candidates should be addressed, as I believe candidates can be considered notable solely based on their campaign. While routine candidates might make the headline of a local state outlet, few candidates receive mass national attention as Platner has here. The national, significant coverage did not stop simply at a campaign announcement, as it has continued over the last few days. National outlets have covered his rally with Sanders, for example. For that reason I believe he meets WP:GNG. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 17:00, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep. Ten years from now, people interested in history will still care. This is an episode in the evolution of the Democratic Party in a critical era in American politics. No one forces you to read a page you are not interested in. I came to Platner's page to find reliable information about him, only to find that this source might be removed. I have not participated in deletion discussions before; my edits have been primarily language (editing for clarity) and mathematics (my specialty, editing for clarity, accuracy and completeness), but the usefulness of Wikipedia to me as a user would be diminished both by deletion and by redirection to the overall Senate campaign page, so I decided to weigh in on this one. Oldrrb (talk) 16:24, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
    For the novice on deletion discussions: read through Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions for a good primer. (You might want to pay close attention to WP:HARMLESS.)
    I went to 2026 United States Senate election in Maine to find out what huge changes in "the evolution of the Democratic Party" you are talking about, and could find nothing there. That, of course, could just mean that nobody could be bothered updating an article on an election that is more than a year away. Could you elaborate on what changes are involved, and how this non-candidate has effected them? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:59, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
  • This is borderline for me, but I'm more persuaded by the Keep side. Platner is getting more attention than candidates in comparable with lengthier political résumés, and even if he loses I think he meets notability guidelines just in term of the mainstream attention he's garnered. The media and public have decided that he is notable. Who are we to tell them they're wrong? MAINEiac4434 (talk) 19:25, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep I might have leaned towards delete here, given WP:NPOL, however there is a clear pass of WP:GNG and extensive WP:SIGCOV if you just look for it. So per user:Generalrelative, this should be kept. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:44, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Redirect to 2026 United States Senate election in Maine. The article does not meet the general notability guideline, which requires significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources independent of the subject. Nearly all coverage is tied to the subject’s recent candidacy, making it event-driven and temporary. Per WP:NOTABILITY, fleeting media attention or campaign mentions do not establish encyclopedic notability. The article is also premature under WP:TOOSOON, as the subject’s notability rests only on immediate campaign coverage rather than sustained, in-depth sourcing over time. Wikipedia articles should not be created on the assumption of future notability. Without long-term, independent coverage, the subject does not warrant a standalone article at this time. Redirect is appropriate under WP:GNG, with the option to recreate if enduring significance is later demonstrated.}} SanBrooken — Preceding undated comment added 18:54, 4 September 2025 (UTC)
    I hear you, but compared to coverage for other candidates in the same race without a political background, like Dan Kleban and Jordan Wood, Platner's received orders of magnitude more coverage. This is beyond typical coverage of a Senate candidate's launch, I would think. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 14:56, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

Keep per sources. Clearly notable. Nononsense101 (talk) 02:24, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

  • Keep, there are several noteworthy articles about him. Radiohist (talk) 05:32, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
Keep. Platner is an unusual phenomenon, an unknown Senate candidate whose support is growing exceptionally rapidly. If this article were deleted now, it would most likely just have to be recreated before long, when Platner becomes an unavoidable feature of the 2026 national election. A classic example of WP:TOOSOONDEL. Dc.samizdat (talk) 16:08, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep - similar case to Amy McGrath in 2018. - Indefensible (talk) 04:56, 6 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Delete or redirect, he only seems notable for this event, and the primary or election haven't even happened yet. We should revisit if he wins. Personisinsterest (talk) 13:46, 6 September 2025 (UTC)
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