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Leroy Dean McGill

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Subject does not meet notability guidelines per WP:CRIME. Neither victim nor perpetrator were independently notable and coverage appears to be local. As heinous as his methods were, they wouldn't be considered historically significant. I would also consider this to be a WP:1E. Se7enNationArmy2024 (talk) 17:35, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

• Note: this discussion has been included in the AfD sorting lists for the following topics: People, Crime, Law, Police, and Arizona. Se7enNationArmy2024 (talk) 17:35, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

Not gonna argue, but "victim nor perpetrator were independently notable". Most articles related to crimes are like that. I mean, Derek Chauvin was a disitinguished police officer yet unknown to the world, and Floyd was only a drug-addict convicted felon whose fame came by the glorification after his demise. Almost never is a criminal/victim notable. Regardless, not gonna issue challenge. CoryGlee 17:41, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

And another quick example, Kim Potter, another unknown police officer. Her "victim" a wife-beater, low-level criminal, drug-addict who got killed in a procedure. His fame, as in Floyd, after demise. Like this most crime-related stuff. CoryGlee 17:43, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

• Keep - Based on arguments that were made in a similar article that was nominated for deletion which ultimately overwhelmingly survived the afd that I personally nominated, see here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stacey Humphreys. The standard set in that discussion pretty much concluded that any death penalty related case should be included in Wikipedia and passes GNG. This article cannot be deleted when articles like Stacey Humphreys are kept. Inexpiable (talk) 19:21, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
• Delete this article is WP:BLP1E and WP:CRIME. He committed a murder and this article provides undue detail of the crime, much of which is sourced to the case decision and the rest some press accounts around the time of the conviction. His death penalty process doesn't seem to raise anything new either for notability purposes. Oblivy (talk) 10:42, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
• Keep but rename - I believe the article should be expanded somehow and it does pass the guidelines. Alternatively, the article can shift its focus on the crime rather than the perpetrator. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 11:40, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
• Redirect or Move to a (currently unwritten) article about the Murder of Charles Perez, and rewrite as an event. Neither the WP:PERPETRATOR or WP:VICTIM are separately notable people and this article is a pseudo-biography. The WP:EVENT is notable and has received coverage over 20 years. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 10:36, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

  While I agree with the spirit of refocusing on the crime/victims and away from the crominal, I don't see the sources that show coverage over many years. It seems to be a bit of coverage at the time of the crime and the trial, then a trickle when various stages of the appeals process occurred. In my humble opinion nothing about this event is notable. Unless we want to argue (as Inexplable wants to say, and with which I disagree) that any case involving death penalty is inherently notable. Oblivy (talk) 12:14, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

• Delete Looking at the list of sources, they appear to just be local coverage from the past 2 months responding to the pending execution. It doens't even look like his trial or appeals over the last 20 years were covered. And while I certainly feel Inexpiable's frustration, just because that page was kept does not mean we now have a policy that everyone on death row passes GNG. ErieSwiftByrd (talk) 15:26, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

@ErieSwiftByrd: What would you have voted in that discussion then out of interest? Inexpiable (talk) 18:27, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: All sorts of opinion seems to be present here on the table. So, this needs more discussion to reach a common outcome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BhikhariInformer (talk) 06:34, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

• Keep - notable crime and case. I would leave it up to the closing admin to decide whether and where to move this to a better title. Bearian (talk) 17:30, 16 May 2026 (UTC)
• Keep Per Bearian, the subject satisfies WP:GNG. I would agree with title Murder of Charles Perez suggested by Cameron Dewe. Nikolas712 (talk) 01:51, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

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