Wikipedia:Lost functionalities

Essay on editing Wikipedia From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Contrary to what you might expect, Wikipedia has lost several functions and abilities over time. Typically these functionalities have been lost as collateral damage, when other concepts (combat vandalism, kooks, etc.) were introduced.

Wikipedian Kim Bruning making presentation at Wikimania 2011

This is a wiki, please contribute to this list if you know anything I've missed.

Here's a list:

Ability to establish priority


It was hoped that scientists would sometimes drop by Wikipedia, and start a stub or short article on something they had researched, prior to it being accepted in a peer reviewed journal. This would have allowed a scientist to prove that they discovered something first.

We originally imagined that ability for scientists to establish priority would make Wikipedia the most current information source in history ;-)

Didn't happen as much as we hoped at first, and the No Original Research policy makes this explicitly unacceptable.


OpenWetWare now allows this ability.

  • I'd like to see progress on this too. You didn't mention it but speedy transmission of such info enables faster advance of science and technology. So the direction you suggest can help not only the one researcher, but also the public good. It would be good to carve out some space from the rules on citing primary sources also (e.g. historical documents online; and research-oriented wiki pages e.g. on OpenWetWare). I've struggled against this a bit. De facto it seems one can cite primary sources and it is often tolerated. Finding the right policy here and who to allow to do what seems difficult. I'd like to help if I can. -- Econterms (talk) 07:08, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Using wikipedia as an (anonymous) research tool

Here is my original procedure for using Wikipedia:

To Research :topic Foo.

  1. Search Wikipedia for "Foo"
    sometimes you need to use Google these days
  2. If "Foo" not found, create a new page, called "Foo", else continue
    No longer permitted for new users.
  3. Google around, read books, etc., find links on Wikipedia and toss the mess on foo
    Unreadable mess, not even going to TRY to find notability, Delete.
  4. Refactor until it's readable.
    Oh wait, keep, KEEP! (too late)
  5. Done.

Big problems are inability for new users to create a new page, and hair-trigger deletion that will remove your article 5 minutes into your week of work ;-)

Of course, you could simply create an account— which makes you _more_ anonymous— and do all this in a user subpage for eventual movement into article space. --Gmaxwell (talk) 22:07, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
There's construction templates for that KimiNewt (talk) 06:56, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

A very obvious way to attract useful new users to Wikipedia was to tempt them to fill in all the red links. (see also #Submitting new articles.) This now doesn't work very well, because if you add a red link, someone will very likely come along and just delete the link. Especially if you add it on a software comparison page, when the editor will probably write an edit summary "Removing non-notable software" without giving any evidence that it's non-notable.

Submitting new articles

To write: New article on Foo

  1. Create a new page "Foo"
    Not permitted for new users
  2. Do a braindump from memory
    No notability established, not wikified, messy, stub, no references/unverifiable DELETE
  3. Edit into something readable
    No notability established, not wikified, stub, unverifiable DELETE
  4. Wikify and find internal links
    No notability established, stub, unverifiable, DELETE
  5. Google, library search for more information, and add it stepwise
    Still no notability established, less stubby, somewhat verifiable, still DELETE
  6. continue above until you've hit all the points
    Notable, has content, still has unverifiable sections... KEEP and IMPROVE

The idea of a wiki is that you keep and improve articles over time. However, these days people on Wikipedia expect good articles to spring into being fully formed... while at the same time banning anon users (our main contributors) from making new articles.

Asking people to write articles or make major changes in their userspace is not the answer, because that negates all the advantages of having a wiki in the first place.

Better way:

  1. Establish notability by finding a reliable source.
  2. Do brain-dump from memory including assertion and proof of notability, tag as stub ... KEEP and IMPROVE
  3. Edit into something readable

Improving an article by dumping an information block in

If an article lacks some kind of information, you could originally dump in whatever information you had, and people would wikify it.

These days, if you don't format your information, you quickly get RVVed (ReVert Vandalism), despite what WP:VAND says. Vandalpatrol is on a hair trigger.

Unformatted information isn't vandalism, rather than complaining about this here— why not bring the guilty parties to RFC? Cite examples. Many people would support a smackdown on this behaviour if it's as common as you make it out to be. --Gmaxwell (talk) 22:09, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
This page is listing some systemic problems in the community. It would be almost futile to try to follow your suggestion since the chances of an editor successfully concluding such a RFC is almost always zero and anyway would require far more time then fixing the edit. A systemic solution is in order (such as modifying patroling/anti-spam tools to massage editors that their edit has been tagged with an inline policy infraction tag.) OrenBochman (talk) 15:02, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Improving an article from memory or logic

Pages accidentally created in wrong namespace just vanish

Loss of SQL access for admins

Images by permission

The ability to influence search engine rankings

Incremental paragraph writing

True informal dispute resolution

Difficulty level

Efficient talk page message reading

Admins unblocking themselves

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