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@Masebrock: I looked the in the source for the figures given in this article using my browser's full-text search. I couldn't find them. If you can, please provide the quotation and the page number. And please explain why a primary source that is mentioned in no secondary source about the "referendum" should be relevant here. Rsk6400 (talk) 13:19, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
There's no need to use your browser's text search, because the page numbers are already cited directly here on Wikipedia.
If I recall, three years ago you tried to delete this section because of link rot (despite it being readily available on the Internet Archive), with the additional claim that the website itself was some sort of fraud (it's not). I can't help but consider your further requests for deletion of this section in this light. Masebrock (talk) 13:28, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
Yes, we've been through this before. See here. I'm really struggling to see why this information is apparently so hard to find – it took me about 30 seconds to look through the source for the 2009 Q3 polls and find the numbers, which are (for the first table) on page 45, table 67 (Responses to the question: “If a referendum on the annexation of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea to … were held, how would you vote?”) and (for the second table) page 45, table 66 (Responses to the question: "There are different opinions on what status would be optimal for the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Which of the options below best aligns with your views?" In your opinion, the Autonomous Republic of Crimea should be: ...?"). Number57 15:30, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
Masebrock, Number 57, please accept my apologies. I was convinced that the UN cannot conduct a poll that is undermining the sovereignty of one of its member states. And I was confused by the mass of Russian text so that I didn't see the obvious, i.e. the page numbers.
But I still hold the paragraph and the tables should be deleted
The introduction is misleading (UNDP reported on the situation in Crimea, the polls had a clearly defined function in that larger context).
"Without context, data is just noise." This well-known rule on presenting data is violated in this case.
Our article cherry-picks from the source. E.g. the statement from p.10, "... experts argue that for a significant portion of the population, such a position [voting for annexation by Russia] represents a choice "against" their position in Ukraine rather than a choice "for" joining Russia." (эксперты утверждают, что для значительной части населения такая позиция является выбором «против» своего положения в Украине, чем выбором «за» присоединение к России.) is missing.
The source itself is cherry-picked. Without a secondary source on this referendum that says that the UNDP polls are relevant, it will be difficult to explain why a primary source (WP:PSTS) should be relevant here.
Please see also what I wrote above about the neutrality of the section. Rsk6400 (talk) 06:51, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
The tables should absolutely not be deleted as they provide relevant context. The cherry-picking claims are absurd IMO. You really need to stop this POV pushing. Number57 10:27, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
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