Talk:2022 Kyiv shopping centre bombing
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 | On 6 May 2026, it was proposed that this article be moved from Kyiv shopping centre bombing to 2022 Kyiv shopping centre bombing. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Merge
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Merge it in to Battle of Kyev. There are too much pages about this war Gianluigi02 (talk) 16:46, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose because this is a significant event in the battle that has received coverage in RS in its own right. Jim Michael (talk) 17:14, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - Given the scale of the destruction seen in this video, I also disagree with the merge and agree that this deserves its own article. JECE (talk) 18:50, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- This argument is completely meaningless and isn't rooted in any policy whatsover. Curbon7 (talk) 01:26, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- It's based on notability. This was the deliberate destruction of a civilian building in Ukraine's capital city. Russia admits the attack, making the unsupported claim that the building was used by the Ukrainian military. Jim Michael (talk) 08:27, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that was a notability argument. Look from the 45-second mark. If you don't have Telegram or a Washington Post account, it appears that an entire city block was levelled, if not more. JECE (talk) 16:52, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- This argument is completely meaningless and isn't rooted in any policy whatsover. Curbon7 (talk) 01:26, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - Scale of coverage in RS would indicate a separate article is suitable. RoanokeVirginia (talk) 19:14, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support not a notable event in it's own right. Better served as a paragraph in the main article, since it's just "Ukraine war-cruft". WP:NOTNEWS applies. Curbon7 (talk) 01:24, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- How is it cruft? It's been substantially covered in the mainstream media. Jim Michael (talk) 08:27, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Point 4 of WP:EVENTCRIT and Point 2 of WP:NOTNEWS apply; it does not appear that this event in particular is out of the routine vs other attacks in the context of the current war. Fiwec81618 (talk) 04:29, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Attacks on large metros such as Kyiv will see many large buildings attacked and bombarded, with casualties. That does not mean we need to make an entire article for every single large structure that gets leveled. The outsize RS reporting is due to Shiny object syndrome due to lack of any significant clashes elsewhere in the city proper. I would oppose a merger if casualties were in the dozens. Though the loss of one life is a tragedy on its own, I don't think the casualties (so far) nor the physical damage or immediate consequences on the war (or lack thereof) warrant its own article. Simply merge it into the parent article, as this whole article can be summed up in one paragraph. RopeTricks (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Support per RopeTricks. This is an ongoing conflict and there will continue to be a lot of reporting as structures are destroyed, with RS they belong in the main article on the subject, unless the event on its own had particular or unique significance. aismallard (talk) 22:21, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose The rationale is faulty: there’s no right number of articles about the war, and there will definitely be more before it’s over. The rationale doesn’t refer to any guidelines. This article can probably be expanded to the point all of the sourced information won’t be appropriate for Battle of Kyiv (2022) (e.g., allegations of military use, photo evidence on social media and arrest of the poster). —Michael Z. 21:13, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose This is a notable event of its own. Sgnpkd (talk) 18:16, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Opppose A Russian spokesperson, Igor Konashenkov, claims that the event was a military attack rather than a war crime, which would make the event part of the battle. However, it's a notable enough event on its own, given the sources, whether or not it's a war crime or part of a battle. The claim of not being a war crime is rather dubious given the high rate of outright lies made by Russian authorities (even official COVID-19 data from Russia is dubious), but the fact of the official "justified destruction of civilian infrastructure" claim is itself notable. The argument that
there are too much pages about this war
is not a reason for merging, it's a complaint to Vladimir Putin (who is unlikely to participate in this discussion, and cannot undo what he's already done). Boud (talk) 10:41, 27 March 2022 (UTC) - Strong oppose This article meets the standards in order to have its own article. Felicia (talk) 16:48, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. Noted by many reliable sources, including Forbes (). Sneeuwschaap (talk) 04:58, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Besides the fact it's seen some notable coverage. the nom seems to have proposed this merger because he doesn't like the number of pages. See Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions & Citing greater problems. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 13:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, per Boud's arguments. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 14:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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Weapon
What was the kind of weapon used? Sgnpkd (talk) 18:16, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Seeing the video (which should be included here, as it is in the Timeline article), the final trajectory being vertical, and the projectile quite hot, possibly a 9M723K1 missile from the Iskander-E system . however, unless one day it is specified by one of the parties, it will not be known for sure 152.207.223.25 (talk) 00:59, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
Requested move 6 May 2026
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – LuniZunie(talk) 16:04, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
Kyiv shopping centre bombing → 2022 Kyiv shopping centre bombing – A lack of other notable bombings at shopping centres in Kyiv does not imply that a year is not necessary, factors such as how identifiable the incident does, and this incident does not appear to reach that level of notoriety. Please note that WP:NCWWW states that most events titles should say when, where, and what happened. Years are not WP:OVERPRECISION (please note that exceptions to the precision criterion are a result of the application of other naming criterion) or only usable for disambiguation (if this were the case, then part of NCWWW would be basically irrelevant, and guidelines and policies should work in harmony, not in opposition to one another). Readers should not be confused if there have been other notable bombings at shopping centres in Kyiv because if there had been, it should be mentioned and linked to in the article, like with the distinguish template. Please also note that for WP:NOYEAR to apply, you must establish that the event is as remotely as easily recognizable as the examples of no year events. A year is especially pertinent in this case given the ongoing war and the sheer number of attacks across Ukraine. Raskuly 🐰 15:35, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
- Support per nom. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:10, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
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