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Adal's peak
The peak of Adal is during Sultan Badlay and Walasma rule whom have links to the Eritrean coast as well as Zeila. Not during Ahmed's conquest. See the references in the article. Pankhurst barely reviewed Futuh al-Habasha anyway, the main authorities for Futuh are researchers like Amelie Chekroun. The term Badlay itself in the sultan's name refers to ruler of the upper country thats the connotation behind Badlay in ethio semitic. We can argue under Ahmed it was the most powerful state because it annexed Abyssinia entirely. Magherbin (talk) 18:26, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Magherbin Well if the problem was just the peak, then the image caption should of been changed because the map that was removed was a more accurate version of the map that is currently being shown. Also the claim that Pankhurst barely reviewed Futuh al-Habesh is not true considering that it was Pankhurst who helped published the english translation of that work in the first place he has also written extensively about this time period so he definitely should not be dismissed محرر البوق (talk) 18:05, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
- Fine add back the map I have no objections. Magherbin (talk) 06:25, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- This map doesn't look entirely accurate, I would like some responses justifying why it is. I have read various sources that discuss the length of the nation and its borders. Both Tadjourah and Raheito were under the Adal Sultanate which had become rump states after its demise(noted by academic sources) and many descriptions describe the kingdom having control over the Bab Al Mandeb which was the boundary point between the Dankali Sultanate/Kingdom and Adal Sultanate. Replayerr (talk) 22:07, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Do you have a map you're proposing to add? Adal Sultanate wasnt stable they would lose territory rapidly by mini Muslim states if one of their leaders fell in battle. They would go through a rebuild even ports like Zeila were autonomous, it would only capitulate if they saw a leadership thats strong enough. Magherbin (talk) 00:32, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- I think the map is unrealistic as most maps dating back to the medieval period has explicitly shown that the Adal Sultanate's domain had extended to Bab Al Mandeb.
- The Tadjourah Sultanate had formed after Imam Ahmad's rule around the same period as the Imamate of Aussa and Sultanate of Raheito.
- James Bruce, Krapf and Isenburg had also declared that the boundary delineating Dankali and Adal was Assab.
- James Bruce's map had also signified this border in his own drawn map. Replayerr (talk) 11:42, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Replayerr Download inkscape and then download the map. Open the map in inkscape and make all the necessary changes you want. When your done click "Upload a new version of this file" and overwrite it. (If that doesn't work just upload a new file in the comons). محرر البوق (talk) 19:19, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- Refer to page 233 for his map which was used in the Ifat(Region) article. Replayerr (talk) 11:43, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- Do you have a map you're proposing to add? Adal Sultanate wasnt stable they would lose territory rapidly by mini Muslim states if one of their leaders fell in battle. They would go through a rebuild even ports like Zeila were autonomous, it would only capitulate if they saw a leadership thats strong enough. Magherbin (talk) 00:32, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- Can you link me a single source which affirms Sultan Badlay Ibn Sa'ad ad-Din controlled Suekin ? Yubudirsi (talk) 03:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Map
Why was the previous map removed 92.0.101.255 (talk) 14:03, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Adal's capital
@User:CqHydra The abundance of references indicate the capital was in the Harar plateau in eastern Ethiopia, it was not in northern Somalia. Do not alter the wording in the article the references specifically states Harar plateau not Sahil or Siyara Here is a list of references on its origin being the Harar plateau aside from whats already in the article:
"Failing to check ethiopian power, the sultans of ifat moved eastward to the region of the harar plateau where they founded the new kingdom of Adal" p.77
"Later in the fourteenth century, the most militant leaders of Islam in the Horn of Africa moved further east and established the kingdom of Adal in the Harar plateau" p.100
"However, it could possibly refer to al-ʿAdal, ruled by the Walāsmaʿ dynasty, which was based in Harär after the 14th century," p.81
"the latter part of the 14th century, Adal became the leading Muslim principality in the south-eastern areas, with its capital Harar as the significant Islamic centre for the whole region" p.57
"In the east, the Muslims were led by Adal, Yifat's militant successor. Located around Harer," p.16
"Adal, Ifat's militant successor. Located in the semidesert Harer region, Adal" p.100
"Yifat was eventually replaced by a new paramount Muslim emirate in the eastern highlands, Adal, with harar as its center." p.179
"Adal, historic Islāmic state of eastern Africa, in the Danakil-Somali region southwest of the Gulf of Aden, with its capital at Harer (now in Ethiopia). Its rivalry with Christian Ethiopia began in the 14th century with minor border raids and skirmishes."
"his sons escaped and returned to the harari plateau, assumed the title of Sultans of Adal" p.27
"But the fourteenth-century rise of a Walasma dynasty in the Harar region, led by large numbers of people who were clearly of Ifat origin" p.150
"It is important to note in this connection that the ancient walled city of Harar and its environs, where Harari and Argobba are now spoken were precisely the new political centres estabslihed by the Muslim Walasma princes exiled from Ifat" p.427
"eventually established the sultanate of adal in the highland districts around present-day Harar" p.64
"Sa’ad ad-dīn et le royaume chrétien, le pouvoir s’installa dans une zone plus orientale,l’« ‘Adal », dans l’actuel région administrative du East-Harargue, entre la ville de Harar et la frontière somalienne. Ce déplacement du centre du pouvoir a probablement eu lieu sous le règne du fils de Sa’ad ad-dīn, Sabr ad-dīn, qui régna selon l’Histoire des Walasma’ entre l’année 1415 et l’année 1421-22" p.145 Magherbin (talk) 17:27, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- @CqHydra The source you cited by IM Lewis says that Zeila was a capital of an "emirate of Adal" which was nominally apart of Ifat and preceded the Adal Sultanate. The first capital of Adal was Dakar "The first of the medieval sultanates of eastern, Muslim Ethiopia for which there is documentary evidence was Dakar, apparently situated near Fiyambiro south-east of modern Harar. Dakar was established as the capital of the local Walashma dynasty early in the fifteenth century." also why did you link the Dakkar article to the Aw-Barkhadle page even though Dakkar has its own standalone article? محرر البوق (talk) 22:00, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
What on Earth is this map?
This map is absolutely asinine. If it wasn't made by a person with an Arabic username, I would assume they were some Abyssinian nationalist. The historical documentation all supports the fact that, at its peak, Adal ranged from Suakin in Sudan, to Cape Guardafui in Northern Somalia. "At the cost of incredible human losses on both sides, Imam Ahmad succeeded in creating a bogus fabric of an empire that included most of what is today Ethiopia and northern Somalia up to Cape Gardafu if not to Mogadishu. This was the first and the last forced unification of the Horn. In this vast area, especially in the central highlands, a certain administrative order was established as symbolized by the appointment of Muhammed Ibrahim, the brother of the Imam in Harar region, of Wazir Adole, at first in Bali and later as the supreme commander and administrator of the whole south and central part of the Christian kingdom, of Amir Husayn bin Abu Bakar Gatouri for Dawaro, and of Wazir Abbas, the uncle of the Imam, as the overall commander and administrator of the northern section, including the Red Sea region of/Eritrea."
The previous map should be reverted, as that was clearly more accurate. Sarkissati (talk) 17:38, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
- The map doesnt state it was at its peak but at 1540 thats a decade before Ahmed reaches most of Ethiopia/Eritrea. The other map was not accurate the Habesha kingdom, Afar and Ajuran states did not exist during the Adal domination of the horn. Imam Ahmed state didnt occupy Sudan, I think you have him conflated with Badlay. Magherbin (talk) 02:22, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Adal domination of the horn stretched 160 years from the early 15th century to late 16th century. Afar kingdoms also existed at the same time often referred to as Danakil by europeans. The Ajuran period stretched from the 13th-17th century. So they were contemporaries of one another. TriSolar (talk) 19:32, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Ajuuran most certainly existed in 1540, though of course they were under Adalite domination. And what? By 1540 Ahmed Gurey was master of the Horn, with his conquests only reversed by the Portuguese intervention. Typically in Wikipedia, the map of a nation at its peak is shown. The first French Empire for example is shown at its height in 1812, even though those gains were ephemeral. Sarkissati (talk) 22:57, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- According to British explorer Charles Johnston, the Adal Sultanate by the orders of Imam Ahmad ibn Ibrahim. His troops had subdued the countries of Gondar and Massawa to the north and the country of Magadish to the south. This was attested to a library in the city of Harar that held the spoils of the Imam which included a map drawn by his wishes. Supposedly Haji Sharmarke Ali Saleh also had a copy. Page 362. Replayerr (talk) 11:46, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- I don't believe Mogadishu was apart of Adal. It was ruled by its own sultanate during this time. The accounts of European explorers are not really reliable and some of them tend to make bizarre claims at times. محرر البوق (talk) 17:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
