Talk:Alan Amron

In 1973 Alan Amron had invented the first ever Press on ^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]} repositioning, reusable sticky memo note pads, see the original artwork ^[10] and the original mailings sent ^[11] to 3M in 1974, and 3M executives were given several samples by hand that same year. Litigation was quickly settled ^[12] when Amron received a check from 3M just weeks after his filing the attached infringement action and complaint in New York Federal Court. ^[13] As per the attached Court Dockets. ^[14] Press-on Memos was what Amron called his invention in 1973 – 3M called it Post-it Notes in late 1974. ^[15]

LeannJordan (talk) 15:16, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

The six "Alan Amron invented Press-on Memo Records" sources and three "Post-it Notes Inventor Alan Amron Pens the Truth in New Tell-All Memoir" are reprints of a couple of MarketWire press releases, which are considered to be unusably self-published sources. Per WP:BLPPRIMARY Wikipedia can't use court documents or similar primary sources to reference claims about living people. And that's it. You seem to have added this to the article since proposing it, so I've removed it again. --McGeddon (talk) 09:31, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

McGeddon your Not entirely correct, they are not all from the same MarketWire press releases, (see the updated citing post below) and besides most press publications and news organizations use only creditable press releases and gathered information, and companies such as Yahoo Finance and Reuters News Wire publish only those that they believe to be reliable. I would appreciate either you correct what I posted, or post it as I wrote it in the same speed in which you so quickly deleted it each time. Amron has in fact invented the Press-On Memo pads and the facts and public information on it is readily available on line. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeannJordan (talk • contribs) 18:58, 5 October 2014‎

Your "updated citing post" below is identical. Per WP:SPS Wikipedia does not use press releases as sources, no matter where they get reprinted. "Inside Nancy's Noodle" is also inappropriate, as WP:BLOGS are not usable sources either. --McGeddon (talk) 18:17, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you McGeddon, Yes, I did repost it back up only after I received other Wikipedia editors in sandbox, who suggested how best I should post it. Yes, because I only comment in Wikipedia on what I fell I have knowledge of. I am an aspiring inventor myself. I noticed that you have over the years a special interest in editing 3M Post-it notes Wikipedia page posts. Can you please disclose here how and if you are in any personal and or business contact or relationship with 3M, Post-it notes or any one affiliated with or for them? I didn't know of and or about Amron before 2011 when I read of Amron inventions in published reliable reports, and so I reached out to connect with Amron on LinkedIn. I read in 2012, when I first cited on Wikipedia about Amron inventions, the questions and discussions that the Wikipedia community had on Amron and the Post-it note "claims". Now in 2014, 2 years later, I found these new published facts on Amron Post-it notes claims, so I cited them. Certainly I waited long enough to cite these additional published important facts to Wikipedia. I feel as an aspiring inventor myself, after reading about Amron the inventor and all his accomplishments, and then reading the outrageous claims of how 3M invented the Post-it notes, it was something that the additional publicly known and published facts be noted (cited) about. There is no denying that Amron had a factual published and known public records roll in the Post-it notes history, and as Wikipedia is a source for that important encyclopedia published known public facts and information, what better place for it to be documented. I would appreciate it if you would correctly edit my Amron Post-it notes simple paragraph, that you have so quickly each time deleted without corrections (with all the research effort that I put into it) back up on the Amron Wikipedia page ASAP. Thank you, LeannJordan— Preceding unsigned comment added by LeannJordan (talk • contribs) 19:01, 5 October 2014‎

There's no way for me to "correctly edit" your paragraph because Wikipedia require reliable sources for all content, and your suggested content has none. I can find no reliable sources describing Mr Amron as the inventor of the Post-It Note.

I'm happy to reassure you that I have absolutely no personal or professional connection to the 3M corporation or to Post-It Notes as a product. If your having "reached out to connect with Amron" in 2011 has led to you having any sort of personal or professional connection with him, you should read WP:COISELF before editing his biography any further. --McGeddon (talk) 18:23, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

McGeddon thank you for that, but your Not entirely correct, they are not all from the a MarketWire press release, (see the updated citing post below) and most press publications and news organizations use only creditable press releases and gathered information, and companies such as Yahoo Finance and Reuters News Wire publish only those that they believe to be reliable sources. See other NOT FROM A PRESS RELEASE more recent 2013 and 2014 blog and publications that I listed that talk about Amron inventions and include discussions on the his Post-it note. I would appreciate either you correct what I posted, or post it as I wrote it in the same speed in which you so quickly deleted it each time. Amron has in fact invented the Press-On Memo pads and the facts and public information on it is readily available on line. ----

Please stop pasting in comments from user talk pages and repeated versions of the paragraph you want to add to the article, as it's making this thread impossible to follow! Just a short response answering the previous response is all that's required. Since you may well have missed it above, per WP:SPS Wikipedia does not use press releases as sources, no matter where they might be reprinted, and a personal weblog like "Inside Nancy's Noodle" is not a reliable source, per WP:BLOGS. --McGeddon (talk) 18:33, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't know which talk to respond to.

Your saying that any press release that is published on line, and or printed in a newspaper, is not allowed to be used as a reference on Wikipedia? FYI - I found several of your McGeddon recent page edits whereby leaving press and on line information as a reference finding that they came originally from a press release). Your also saying that any Court or Government document link that I find on line, can not be used as a reference? LeannJordan 5 October 2014 LeannJordan (talk) 19:30, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I am saying that press releases can't be used as sources at Wikipedia (see WP:SPS) and court documents or similar primary sources can't be used to reference claims about living people (see WP:BLPPRIMARY; Amron is, as I understand it, a living person).

I'm afraid don't know what your "several of your McGeddon recent page edits" sentence is trying to say. --McGeddon (talk) 22:43, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

This is the "Alan Amron" Wikipedia post that McGeddon deleted.

• Press-on Memos were invented by Amron in 1973. ^{[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]} repositioning, reusable sticky memo note pads, see the original artwork ^[10] and the original mailings sent ^[11] to 3M in 1974, and 3M executives were given several samples by hand that same year. Litigation was quickly settled ^[12] when Amron received a check from 3M just weeks after his filing the attached infringement action and complaint in New York Federal Court. ^[13] As per the attached Court Dockets. ^[14] Press-on Memos was what Amron called his invention in 1973 – 3M called it Post-it Notes in late 1974. ^[15]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by LeannJordan (talk • contribs) 19:01, 5 October 2014‎