Talk:Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow

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Per our DYK review of the translation of this article on zhwiki, four references failed to appear in the Bibliography section:

• "Peden 1987" was added by an IP user in Special:Diff/775239536 and appears to be a typo for "1978."
• "Stewart 1988" (in Special:Diff/384198079) likely should be "1998." the Hardcover edition of the book "Stewart 1991."
• "Whitcomb 1999" (in Special:Diff/109548395) seems to be intended as "2002", as James_C._Floyd#cite_note-8 cites the same note regarding the book chapter.

Absent any objections, I will proceed to correct these entries accordingly. PexEric 16:08, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

I've decided to use ISBN 0075496755 for "Stewart 1988" per OCLC 300412424. PexEric 07:18, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

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This makes no sense, but I can't find any primary source for this. I've through the NRC archives(National Research Council of Canada) and LAC(Libraries and Archives Canada). Was fact checking a video and found it off...

I've found these 2 articles on from 2019, one from 2023.

https://www.historynet.com/canadian-interceptor-program-cold-war/

https://militaryhistorynow.com/2019/02/14/the-avro-arrow-10-surprising-facts-about-canadas-legendary-lost-fighter-jet/

It doesn't make sense to me that the Canadian gov't would allow soviet scientists in to tour the avro plant, even assuming they "knew everything anyway". I don't remember seeing anything about this in the miniseries, which I think would have covered it, but maybe i forgot?

From the first linked article(the 2019 article doesn't go into it nearly as much)

If there’s any doubt that the Arrow was hopelessly compromised, in October 1958, only seven months after the Arrow’s first flight, Avro Canada’s Jim Floyd was asked by his boss, Fred Smye, to arrange a tour for a group of Soviet aircraft engineers. Smye told Floyd to show the Soviets Avro’s design and manufacturing facilities and “answer any questions they may have.” At first, Floyd said, he refused, but Smye told him he would find someone else to give the briefing. Floyd asked if he should withhold performance specifications. “They already know,” responded Smye. In the end, Floyd gave the tour of the Arrow facilities, keeping his information as vague as possible, and Orenda Engines’ chief engineer, Charles Grinyer, gave a tour of the engine plant. It is almost certain that the order came down from Canada’s Department of Defence Production. Why this was allowed to happen remains a mystery. Mandlerex (talk) 11:08, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

Is HistoryNet all about repackaging the content from a series of magazines? Maybe their Aviation History published something in the past? Their staff roster is a little thin on aviation; the article author doesn't claim particular expertise either. Another possibility might be Smye's book (Canadian Aviation and the Avro Arrow, ISBN 9781500545994); it would be interesting to know whether Smye himself acknowledged this. TheFeds 18:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

Edit by a new user. I found an erllier reference to this Avro Arrow spy network. It is in the Shattered Illusions book by Donald G. Mahar 2016. I have not read this book so can't confirm if this has any real basis.

What I have been able to confirm is the existance of spy codenamed "Brik". According to the Shattered Illusions Briks full name was Yevgeni Vladimirovich Brik. That being said I have been able to confirm that Brik was a real person who went under the identity David Soboloff (a Montreal photographer) via these two articles:

   - "Old Spy betrayal Put to Rest By Ex-Mountie's Plea
   -  "Ex-Mountie's Story Sounds Like Spy Thriller". Calgary Herald: D5. 29 January 1984.

Brik did defect and was subsequently made into a double agent. Once he defected he was given the codename "Gideon". The last we know of Brik is that he was in france after being called back by the KGB for "retraining, rehabilitation, re-intoctrination" due to James Morrison, an RCMP officer at the time, trading information on Brik for $3500 (1950s canadian money) to pay of his gambaling dedt. In both the articles there is no mention of Avro Arrow spy ring nor an agent by the codename "Lind". — Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2026-21378-62 (talk) 00:12, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

It has been a while since this article was reviewed, so I took a look and noticed lots of uncited statements, including entire paragraphs. Should this article go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 02:10, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow

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Uncited statements, including entire paragraphs. Z1720 (talk) 15:34, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

Some changes, additions and deletions, have been made by multiple editors. Is there any specific area to indicate at this point? Kyteto (talk) 22:49, 14 May 2026 (UTC)