Talk:Decadence

I don't think of Manet as a Decadent; I've never seen him listed as one before; and I can't think of anything, including Olympia and Le déjeuner sur l'herbe, that would make him one. Would anyone object to my removing his name from the list of Decadent artists? Physicist 23:28, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Maybe he was included because he illustrated the French translation of Poe's "The Raven?" However, the bulk of his work does not fit the decadence profile. --sparkit (talk) 01:33, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

In modern use, decadence is often defined as a decline in or loss of excellence, obstructing the pursuit of ideals. It is typified by the elevation of cleverness, education, and intellectual pretension over experience and tradition, and is often considered materialistic.

The above doesn't make sense. There would be no tradition with out education, and cleverness is a form of excellence! So I rephrased.

I think most of this section is worthless to the article.

Decadence is a common enough word and we don't need to know every time someone in some metal band uses it.

The article begins by saying "Decadence was late-19th-century movement emphasizing the need for sensationalism..." This is grammatically incorrect. I'm also confused by it. Is this article about the concept of decadence, or a specific movement? There is already a separate article for the "Decadent movement." So before revising this, I need clarity on what the article is actually focusing on. LouMichel (talk) 19:45, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

The lede of Decadence just need re-working to focus on the broader concept, keeping Decadent movement separate. So, the scope of the ledes overlap, but the articles can be made distinct quite easily. Klbrain (talk) 14:08, 1 February 2026 (UTC)