Talk:Forests of Turkey
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Did you know nomination
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 14:31, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- ... that leopards live in the forest in Turkey? Source:Karataş, A.; Bulut, Ş. & Akbaba, B. (2021). "Camera trap records confirm the survival of the Leopard (Panthera pardus L., 1758) in eastern Turkey (Mammalia: Felidae)". Zoology in the Middle East. doi:10.1080/09397140.2021.1924419.
- ALT1:... that leopards roam the forest in Turkey? Source:Karataş, A.; Bulut, Ş. & Akbaba, B. (2021). "Camera trap records confirm the survival of the Leopard (Panthera pardus L., 1758) in eastern Turkey (Mammalia: Felidae)". Zoology in the Middle East. doi:10.1080/09397140.2021.1924419.
Created by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC).
The article is new enough (created on June 1), long enough (4003 characters). Earwig's Copyvio Detector detects copyright violation "Unlikely". The article cites sources (although there is CS1 error in reference [9]). A QPQ is done. The hook is under 200 characters (43 characters), is cited (1), and meets the formatting guidelines. But I guess the hook isn't interesting to a broad audience. The source shows that "the leopards were extinct or on the verge of extinction in Turkey towards the end of the 20th century, but recent photographic evidence proves their survival.
" The fact that leopards live in the forest in Turkey needs to be rephrased to make the hook interesting. Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 04:41, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for reviewing. Have reworded hook with a better verb. I am not American myself but a lot of readers are and I guess ALT1 would be now be surprising for them as it was for me as a Brit - any USA readers like to comment. If anyone has a better idea for a hook please suggest. Kavyansh.Singh your hook ideas welcome - roaming to and from Iraq is maybe too speculative? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:37, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Chidgk1, thanks for your contribution, but I am still concerned about hook, which is not interesting to a broad audience. Leopards living or roaming in forest of Turkey doesn't grab attention, until they have been recently found, and were previously considered extinct. I suggest the following hook:
"... that recent photographic record confirms existence of leopards in Turkey's forest, which were considered to be extinct in late 20th century?"
If you consider selecting this hook, the same changed need to be made in article too. Thanks! Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 07:06, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Chidgk1, thanks for your contribution, but I am still concerned about hook, which is not interesting to a broad audience. Leopards living or roaming in forest of Turkey doesn't grab attention, until they have been recently found, and were previously considered extinct. I suggest the following hook:
- Thanks for reviewing. Have reworded hook with a better verb. I am not American myself but a lot of readers are and I guess ALT1 would be now be surprising for them as it was for me as a Brit - any USA readers like to comment. If anyone has a better idea for a hook please suggest. Kavyansh.Singh your hook ideas welcome - roaming to and from Iraq is maybe too speculative? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:37, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2:... that many thought leopards had been extirpated from the country, but now they have been snapped roaming the forest in Turkey? Source:Karataş, A.; Bulut, Ş. & Akbaba, B. (2021). "Camera trap records confirm the survival of the Leopard (Panthera pardus L., 1758) in eastern Turkey (Mammalia: Felidae)". Zoology in the Middle East. doi:10.1080/09397140.2021.1924419.
- ALT3:... that camera traps for guerrillas in the forest in Turkey snapped leopards. Different source - will add
if you like the hook.
I guess the issues raised are resolved and new hooks are added by nominator. I leave the review to a different reviewer, who will review the hooks, wording, and everything else. Thanks for your contribution. Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 14:23, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
- Kavyansh.Singh I did not mean to imply that only native speaker English readers are important. I see you have done a lot of articles about India - obviously India is lucky enough to have many more leopards than here so readers there might be hooked by something different. I would be happy if you are able to continue. If not thanks very much for getting most of it done. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:44, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
New enough, long enough, the "Distribution of forests" section has many uncited paragraphs and statements; these need references before a hook can be approved. No plagiarism or paraphrasing concerns. QPQ completed. ALT 2 and 3 are not in the article, so that information needs to be added. I suggest a reworded ALT below:
- ALT4: ... that while many thought leopards were extirpated from the country, researchers spotted the animal in a forest in Turkey? Source:Karataş, A.; Bulut, Ş. & Akbaba, B. (2021). "Camera trap records confirm the survival of the Leopard (Panthera pardus L., 1758) in eastern Turkey (Mammalia: Felidae)". Zoology in the Middle East. doi:10.1080/09397140.2021.1924419.
This alt wikilinks extirpated and says the animal was spotted in a forest in Turkey, which I think is better phrasing as there is more than one forest in the country. Please post your thoughts below. Z1720 (talk) 18:04, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- It is very rare but not just in one forest (just added another cite to show that). If "researchers spotted" also includes camera traps then ALT4 is fine by me. In which case I would not need to add ALT2 and ALT3. Chidgk1 (talk) 18:11, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- On second thought, I think we need more specific language since the researchers, according to the source, did not see the leopards themselves. I have another ALT below.
- ALT5 ... that while many thought leopards were extirpated from the country, researchers documented the animal in the forests in Turkey? Source:Karataş, A.; Bulut, Ş. & Akbaba, B. (2021). "Camera trap records confirm the survival of the Leopard (Panthera pardus L., 1758) in eastern Turkey (Mammalia: Felidae)". Zoology in the Middle East. doi:10.1080/09397140.2021.1924419.
- This alt specifies that the leopard has been seen in more than one forest, and taking a picture with camera traps counts as "documented". Let me know what you think, and if you like this hook I will approve it once the last "citation needed" tag in the article is resolved. Z1720 (talk) 23:46, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- It is very rare but not just in one forest (just added another cite to show that). If "researchers spotted" also includes camera traps then ALT4 is fine by me. In which case I would not need to add ALT2 and ALT3. Chidgk1 (talk) 18:11, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Map of orig veg cover
Need something like page 5 of https://www.fao.org/3/CA3505EN/ca3505en.pdf Chidgk1 (talk) 09:27, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
see also archived map request
Detail source and a good article to get ideas from
Tusiad report
Regions
Liquidambar orientalis
Add about this Chidgk1 (talk) 13:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also lebanon cedar eg https://www.waldwissen.net/en/forestry/silviculture/plant-cultivation/the-lebanon-cedar-in-climate-change-experiences-from-turkey Chidgk1 (talk) 14:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Erosion
Add more eg https://margistar.eu/unearthing-the-threat-erosions-toll-on-the-mountainous-areas-of-turkiye/ Chidgk1 (talk) 14:04, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- https://webdosya.csb.gov.tr/db/cem/icerikler/ruzgarxing-20211108140359.pdf Chidgk1 (talk) 14:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
to be paraphrased
They suggest:[1]: 18
relevant strategies and action plans should include targets to reduce and adapt to the effects of climate change on forest ecosystems, as well as targets that clearly outline the role of forests in terms of carbon storage.
A holistic afforestation action plan should be developed, taking into account land degradation, and in this action plan, potential areas suitable for afforestation through afforestation in Turkey should be identified, taking into account the current land use situation, socio-economic conditions and ecological balances, and the work to be carried out in these areas should be planned.
Legal regulations that directly lead to a decrease in forest area should be abolished, the issue of allocation of forest areas to non-forestry uses should be reviewed, and the issues of climate change and carbon storage of forests should be included in national forestry legislation, especially the Forest Law and the National Parks Law.
Although carbon pricing and emission reduction are essential in the context of combating the climate crisis and the net zero emission target, projects based on "biotic carbon sequestration" are also increasingly of critical importance. In this context, systems and mechanisms that will increase the contribution of private sector organizations and encourage investments for carbon sequestration should be established. For example, improving existing afforestation incentive practices, so that the carbon captured by LULUCF practices can be used for offsetting purposes. Studies such as establishing an integrated system with ETS or establishing a National Afforestation Certification System can be carried out. These certification and trading systems and mechanisms for the LULUCF sector must observe environmental honesty, transparency and contribution criteria; Establishment in compliance with global standards and international validity; It is important to make the necessary arrangements to integrate it into international certification systems. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
remove this before gan
Strategic plan English version
Seems like not 2024-2028 not yet translated - check back later at https://www.ogm.gov.tr/en/stratejik-plan and if translated replace Turkish one cited and see if more info from it should be added to article - maybe goals and KPIs from exec summaryChidgk1 (talk) 08:37, 17 August 2024 (UTC) Talk:Forests in Turkey/GA1
Should I start a separate list article?
@S Marshall or anyone,
Do you think I should make a separate list like List of forests in the United Kingdom or list them here or is the existing category enough? Chidgk1 (talk) 09:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedians have thought about this a lot (at WP:CLN) and the community has decided that wherever there's a category, it's often useful to have a list as well (see WP:NOTDUP). Make the list sortable. Personally I would put it in this article, rather than make users click somewhere to find it.—S Marshall T/C 16:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Title and scope
I would like to cover trees in general including the Mediterranean forests, woodlands, and scrub and trees in grassland and urban trees in the country.
Should I rename the article or explain the scope somewhere in it? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- @S Marshall Any thoughts? Chidgk1 (talk) 14:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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