Talk:Garifuna

Garifuna or Black Caribs are descendance of Mali Sultan Abu-Bakr II expedition who the left the Mali empire around 1312 to find the end of the Atlantic ocean. in 1312 Mansa Musa the richest man ever succeeded Sultan Aba Bakr when he did not return from his expedition. The ship wreck narrative is a lie b/c there would have been some white Spanish blood within the Garifuna genes and there are none. Plus there are no Spanish words in the Garifuna language.

Garifuna are originally from Mali empire. Set foot on Caribbean soil with Abu-Bakr II descoveries lover than his brother Kankou Moussa, the most richman after king Salomon, whose wealth created crisis in El Cairo cause giving cash gold to hopless and helpess People. Garifuna are not Abu-Bakr II slave but his family where everyone have his task in empire. I'm really convinced, if garifuna are not there from post columbus slave trade ?? They were précolombian Caribbean inhabitants with king Abubakar, this time only one Subsahara West Africa royal distinguished personality to conquer New Land where peacefully he have signed human and kind treaty of course with indians.garifuna are from ours ??? Mandingo, They idiom seem like, like senegalese wolof idiom. There are also another tribe with idiom called BONI, in Guyana, Who are from Tiassale, a city from AKAN lenguages from the Ivory Coast.i really want to get in touch with you cause interested any black history in Caribbean Land ??? Much to give and hear in return. I'm guide, painter, art sculpture galeries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.77.132 (talk) 01:33, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

The Garifuna Nation's website displays the Garifuna flag with the black on top.

The government of Belize appears to agree.

Should the flag be inverted? 1.126.106.50 (talk) 20:23, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I’ll try to take a look. Both variations do appear in different places (example with the black on the bottom). Also you linked the National Garifuna Council, not the Belizean government. — MarkH₂₁^talk 23:13, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@ dynamic IP editor: please stop repeatedly changing the first sentence to say that The Garifuna people are an ethnic population in Central America of mixed origin and changing other existing referenced content. It is also inappropriate to leave unformatted raw external links in the lead.

You have been reverted by multiple other editors and warned about edit-warring and disruptive editing already. — MarkH₂₁^talk 03:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC) @2600:1700:8DF:6C00:CC27:2D:CC47:B2DD: @2600:387:15:4C34:0:0:0:3: pinging the recent IPs. — MarkH₂₁^talk 03:31, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

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I've see both "Black Caribs", "Garifuna", and "Kalinago" used to refer to Indigenous/Afro-Indigenous people in Saint Vincent. While most "Black Caribs" were deported to Roatán, it seems some (Yellow Caribs?) remained in Saint Vincent and still have descendants there. The article says that "the Black Caribs with higher Amerindian traits were allowed to remain on the island". Is the word "Garifuna" an accurate term for the pre-deportation and/or post-deportation Indigenous population on Saint Vincent? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 21:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

The "[insert adjective] Carib" was an exonym, while Garifuna/Garinagu/Kalinago were endonyms. See Garifuna#Name and the cited references for more. Many of the academic sources cited in the article use "Garifuna" for the pre-deportation people and the post-deportation people. — MarkH₂₁^talk 22:03, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

@MarkH21 So the Indigenous people of both Saint Vincent and Dominica referred to themselves as Kalinago/Karifuna? I'm trying to sort out this terminology, because some of the so-called "Carib" people labelled as "Kalinago" on Wikipedia may not technically be Kalinago. As the Grenada National Museum notes: "...it is debatable whether the term [Kalinago] can apply to all indigenous people in the Lesser Antilles throughout time." EG, it would not really be accurate to describe the self-identified contemporary Caribs at Santa Rosa First Peoples Community as Kalinago. Would it be accurate to call the Indigenous people of Saint Kitts and Nevis "Kalinago"? Guadeloupe? Martinique? Saint Lucia? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 22:16, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

@Bohemian Baltimore:

• First, "Carib" applied to many groups of peoples in the Americas, from the Kalinago to the Kalina people (modern scholars believe they may be totally unrelated, with languages in different primary language families). It also applied to the Garifuna, who were partially descended from the Kalinago.
• Second, the Kalinago were dominant in the Lesser Antilles but were not the only indigenous people that inhabited the Lesser Antilles. For example, the Taíno were also in the Lesser Antilles at various points. While possibly related, the Kalinago and Taíno are generally considered different peoples (see Taíno#Terminology and the reference to Rouse 1992 there, for example). The Igneri were also once in the Lesser Antilles. Even older cultures existed in the Lesser Antilles, like the Ortoiroid people and some others listed at Category:Indigenous peoples of the Caribbean, although less is known about the older groups.
• Finally, I do not know about the self-identified contemporary Caribs at Santa Rosa First Peoples Community. One would need to look at studies (historical, linguistic, or genetic) of their origins. For example, did their ancestors speak the Kalinago language? Did they speak Yao? Shebayo? There were evidently indigenous peoples in Trinidad who spoke these languages, which are from multiple distinct language families! Same for the indigenous peoples of the other places you mentioned. One would need to take a look at what academic sources say for those specific places.

Hopefully, that is a decent rough summary. But to answer your specific questions, I think you would have to look at articles/sources that are specifically about the indigenous peoples of Saint Kitts, Guadeloupe, Martinique, etc. — MarkH₂₁^talk 01:16, 1 May 2026 (UTC)