Talk:Javier Milei

@CHr0m4tiko0: Can you tell me what information or claim is unsourced? 80.200.109.19 (talk) 15:46, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

The paragraph includes evaluative language and unverified claims not directly supported by sources in the article. The lead should summarize reliably sourced facts in a neutral tone per WP:LEAD and WP:TONE. Moreover, your version presents a single point of view, while major outlets such as The Economist, Financial Times, Bloomberg, and The Wall Street Journal have recently reported on Argentina's economic deterioration and a shift in the international perception of Milei's presidency. CHr0m4tiko0 (talk) 15:59, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

That's not exactly true. Argentina's currently in another economic crisis which is why I made the note about how Javier milei's early successes, of which there are many, are fragile and politically risky (because it is). The crisis facing Argentina right now is a currency crisis, which resulted in Milei re-exhausting the central bank's foreign reserves in order to stay afloat. But the crisis itself has been largely averted due to the American lifeline.

What I'm saying is that in general Javier Milei has had more accomplishments than not (such as averting hyperinflation, reducing poverty to pre covid levels etc etc). These accomplishments have certainly not yet been undone (though there's a very real possibility it can easily be undone in the future), which is why I believe the lead is neutral and reliably sourced. Would you disagree or how do you propose the lead should be written? 80.200.109.19 (talk) 16:15, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

(also i accidentally undid your revision because I thought the notification for the talk page didn't work sorry mb) 80.200.109.19 (talk) 16:15, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

We shouldn't assess a presidency on a year-by-year basis—especially when not even two years have passed yet. The paragraph you added reads as overly one-sided, emphasizing Milei's accomplishments while downplaying or omitting ongoing issues reported by multiple reliable outlets. For instance, the "American lifeline" you mention has not yet materialized, and recent reports describe declining growth, economic stagnation, and widespread business closures — exceeding even the levels seen during the pandemic.

That's why I believe your version presents only one point of view and gives undue weight to partial outcomes. The lead should remain balanced, summarizing both achievements and continuing challenges with proper attribution and neutral tone per WP:NPOV and WP:LEAD. CHr0m4tiko0 (talk) 16:26, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Ok fair enough I agree with your first point. I disagree with your opinion that it's overly one-sided though since most reports around the most recent crisis don't frame it as as terrible as you may think (the world bank revised Argentina's gdp growth from 5.6% to 4.6% for 2025 in october). It's certainly bad, but not catastrophic and the worst has come to pass. Argentina's risk index is under 850 points now iirc, while it had shot up to 1400 points a few weeks ago.

But anyway you're right that I was a bit quick with the lead. 80.200.109.19 (talk) 16:59, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

I see your point, but a few clarifications: the World Bank's 4.6% revision comes after several months of stagnation, so it doesn't reflect sustained growth. As for "the worst has come to pass", Milei has repeated that claim several times during his term, yet most recent coverage still points to ongoing instability. Regarding the numbers — as of October 9, Argentina's risk index stands around 1,070 points, not below 850, and the dollar has risen again to 1,490–1,500 ARS after briefly dropping to 1,350–1,400. That's why I think the lead should avoid drawing conclusions and stick to verifiable, balanced facts. CHr0m4tiko0 (talk) 17:37, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Didn't know it shot up to around 1000, interesting. Infobae cited it to around 800 1.5 weeks ago so I assumed it to still be the case. That's cooked ngl 80.200.109.19 (talk) 22:08, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Watch the risk index free fall 80.200.109.19 (talk) 01:17, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

I did one of the the receent reversals, and my main issue is the sentence "Mr. Milei is testing the patience of ordinary Argentines, as his economic triage cuts into salaries and pushes up the cost of living.". This is poor tone for an encyclopedia. It misquotes a hypothesis raised in the New York Times analysis article as a conclusion or hard fact (In the source: "And it [Argentina's current crisis, from the previous sentence] signals that the solutions Mr. Milei offers may be testing the patience of ordinary Argentines"), and states a generic political opinion in an article that should be neutral by design. Fbergo (talk) 18:09, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Besides, "Triage" is something from medical emergencies. Newspapers may use colorful analogies to catch the readers' attention or make things easier to understand, but we should call things by their name. Cambalachero (talk) 19:33, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

"Triage" is an appropriate term. Djt told a reporter that "Argentine people are dying". While in Asia recently. I will get the exact date and the reporter's name. It was televised and it was a female reporter. Amandadrake80182 (talk) 06:05, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

I can find no mention of the $40 billion the United States is giving Argentina to stabilize its economy, despite numerous outlets reporting extensively on this:

Is there a specific reason for such an important fact to be missing? ~2025-34602-44 (talk) 02:24, 25 December 2025 (UTC)

More sources:

~2025-34602-44 (talk) 02:28, 25 December 2025 (UTC)

Only the first 20 billion dollar bailout was substantiated, the second 20 billion dollar bailout is an already forgotten promise. Seeing the relative stability of the Argentine economy post midterms, the loan downsized from 20 billion to I think like 5 billion or something. Pipetboy (talk) 17:32, 25 December 2025 (UTC)

Per the title. The elections are just one year away, and he's very clearly become an influential figure across Argentina and Latin America as a whole. Writing in the lead what his policies and impact have been should be pretty important if you ask me. KeysofDreams (talk) 20:29, 16 March 2026 (UTC)