Talk:Klečka killings

Not that I dispute the massacre, it appears there is no external or secondary source that admits or acknowledges the veracity of this accusation. Whether this has something to do with western establishments turning a blind eye on such things I cannot comment on, but there is no stronger source on the article. The BBC reports merely state what the Kosovo Serbs claim. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 15:49, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Fatmir Limaj and three of his associates were recently tried by a Kosovan court but acquitted of having carried out the killings , which did occur. However, none of the perpetrators have faced justice. 23 editor (talk) 20:30, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

23 editor, we all know it happened. This incident is far easier and less controversial to prove than the Srebrenica genocide, as the 8,000 plus figure and the self-contradictions by many claimants and associated media have provoked a wealth of responses. The question is whether the court threw out the claim because there was no evidence that it was the accused parties, or because there was no evidence of the killings. If it is the former then the expected procedure would be to hunt for the real culprits and not rest on their laurels. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 20:35, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

The first paragraph states the KLA did the killing, but there does not appear to be any conclusive proof that this is true. Does that evidence exist anywhere or should we change the first paragraph to "alleged"? 155.213.224.59 (talk) 18:03, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Why can't posters add that various estimates of the number of victims, exist ; from 5 to 100.

This number of 22 is the one claimed by the Serbian gvt. No independant foreign expert was allowed to verify the official archives of the Mazreku brothers' trial.

The number of 5 comes from Albanian sources (with further justifications related to victims being really "collaborators" and not "true civilians" etc...). Numbers superior to 22, only appear in some Serb media.

When Fatmir Limaj and al. were put on trial in a EULEX court, they were only accused of 8 killings, related to the Klečka/Kleçkë case. ~2026-14847-46 (talk) 15:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I should add that even the Supreme Court of Serbia, basically stated that the police investigation was garbage.

Judge Malcolm Simmons is often cited by Serb sources for his comments on how the Albanian mob and Western oligarchs infiltrated Kosovo. So, one cannot accuse him of holding a strong pro-Western, pro-Albanian biais.

Despite that, the EULEX courts only found 8 victims (Serbs and Yugoslavist Albanians alike).

At the time, Serbian TV talked about young Jovana who was raped, her grand-mother who was killed etc... It would be easy for Serbia to just release the full names of those alleged 22 victims. It would settle the debate once for all. ~2026-14847-46 (talk) 16:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

You’re right. I think that both figures, 22 Serb civilians allegedly killed according to Serbian authorities and 0 Serbian civilians killed according to the KLA's spokesperson, are obviously unreliable and have been given undue weight by including them in the infobox. I would argue that only the deaths documented by EULEX should be retained. Nishjan (talk) 15:33, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

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– Considering that "Klečka killings" is not the proper or common name for this subject, the article should be renamed. I will let editors decide. One proper name that I have been able to encounter in sources is "Klecka case" (1 and 2). However, if anyone has any better alternatives, they can propose them. StephenMacky1 (talk) 11:08, 11 April 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. 1isall (talk | contribs) 12:33, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

This source too. StephenMacky1 (talk) 11:11, 11 April 2026 (UTC)

I would also argue that Klecka case appears to be the more commonly used name in academic and general usage. “Klecka” is simply the anglicized version of the village name "Kleçka/Klečka", which, according to Google Scholar, has also become the most used form. “Klecka killings” could also work, although it is not really a name mentioned in the used sources. Nishjan (talk) 11:34, 11 April 2026 (UTC)

Well, the case also contains reported torture, beatings, etc, so the title containing "killings" is not really inclusive. I am fine with "Klecka case", unless anyone has a better alternative. StephenMacky1 (talk) 11:46, 11 April 2026 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the suggested title?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 1isall (talk | contribs) 12:33, 18 April 2026 (UTC)