Talk:Life and Fate

The plot summary in this section rather seems to summarize the ideas behind the novel rather than the actual story.

Propaganda, what else do you expect?

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.112.186 (talk) 22:19, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I think all these 'citation needed' notes could just use the book itself as a citation. Erik Springelkamp (talk) 21:01, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

How attempting to receive a traveling pass(a war episode to re-create war time atmosphere) can be 'argument against communism'? How people even manage to find anything anti-Communist in this book? I have read it in Russian and only can say that it is 99% anti-Fascist. It in fact has a degree of anti-Stalinism in line with the Khrushchev's era propaganda.--Dojarca (talk) 01:12, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I really think that your minds are too concerned with the defense of bloody ideologies. As the authors himself says, throught Ikonnikov, Soviet-Communism and German-Nazism are two ideologies that should be treated equally. Both had concentration camps, and both believed that they were fighting in the name of "good" (see chapters 1-6). Grossman would feel sick about your comments. V.tor (talk), 17 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.191.52.114 (talk)

There are a few times that the term Communism is used in place of Totalitarianism. It's important to remember that Totalitarianism is a form of government (I teach at a University and every year I stress this point to my students). Communism in its intended form never took fruition in the Soviet Union because Totalitarianism was first to take root (there are far more details one could go in to but this is not the time nor place). If one reads Life and Fate very closely, it becomes apparent that Grossman took special care not to confuse the reader with the ideals of 'communal communism' (Marxism for example) with the Totalitarian State of the Soviet Union. I noticed many passages that the author(s) of this wiki page were either confused on or simply made errors due to lack of measured thought. These passages need to be changed in order to prevent severe confusion in regards to Communist Theory.76.123.221.222 (talk) 01:48, 30 August 2010 (UTC)Dr. Owenby

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At the moment, I am trying to add citations to this article, adding or taking out text where there are problems that cannot be surmounted. I will also be trying to add a section on the 12 part television series that came out in Russia a few years ago.Everlong Day (talk) 11:56, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

In looking through various documents on the subject for citations, I have found two separate sources that disagree with the section in Main Characters which claims that Grossman's mother wrote to him. Both sources very clearly state that she did not write of her impending fate to her son. Grossman only learned of her fate later. I will correct that tomorrow.--Everlong Day (talk) 18:09, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

I have come to the conclusion that this article needs a lot of work to sort it out, more than I feel that I can do. --Everlong Day (talk) 15:21, 16 March 2018 (UTC)