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Pakistani Mess section

The section on the Pakistani messes is, in its entirety,

===Pakistan Air Force,Navy & Army===
The Officers Messes are a specail place.It has the best food available.

I suggest we delete that section. Any objection? Narsil 17:52, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Heck, I'm a-goin' fer it. Narsil 00:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

United States Navy section

The section on the US Navy reads,

An entry is needed for the United States Navy and Marine Corps.

That's inappropriate for the main entry page; it should be here, on the "discussion" page. Anyone object to my moving it from there to here? Narsil 17:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Hearing no objection, I removed that section. Consider it duly noted though, here on the discussion page, that someone would like information to be added about US Navy and USMC messes. Narsil 23:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
The significant Navy "mess" is the Chief's Mess, with officer's belonging to the Wardroom, and enlisted using the generic mess deck. But U.S. Navy Chiefs don't like their business examined, so don't expect to see much information about the Chief's Mess. 74.107.119.250 (talk) 05:01, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Israeli Navy

"In the Israeli Navy, although Hebrew speaking, Dining rooms in the Saar 5 Missile Boats, and the kitchen in the Patrol Boats are named Messes, Crew Mess and Officer's Mess." I understand what's trying to be said, but this is pretty incoherent. Could someone with more knowledge clean it up a bit? Makgraf 09:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Canteen

Is the mess different from a military canteen? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:37, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

In the UK Armed Forces, it is more of a bar and formal dining arrangement than a canteen. As someone who has previously served in both the Royal Navy and the Territorial Army for a number of years, this is my experience. --Panzer71 (talk) 15:48, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Etymology

I came to this article hoping to find out why it's called a 'mess' and couldn't find anything. Can anyone find out and add an etymology section--Jeff79 (talk) 10:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

That's possibly straying a little too far into the territory of Wikitionary, see wiktionary:Mess David Underdown (talk) 11:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

A lot of articles on wikipedia have an Etymology section. It's pretty normal. Dictionaries contain a word's definition. No one expects a dictionary to have an explanation of the word's history/usage.--Jeff79 (talk) 05:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm the Oxford English Dictionary does indeed provide etymology supported by quotations and it is very useful. I disagree that this would be straying too far into wiktionary. I suspect the etmology of this word is encyclopaedic but would need to be verified by reliable sources - eg the OED.--Matilda talk 05:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

UK tradition: original research tag

The 'original research' tag (on the line about owing a round of drinks if you forget to remove headgear before entering a mess) doesn't seem warranted. As this is a tradition, it would be hard to find a written source for it, but that doesn't change the fact that it is common knowledge in the Navy and unlikely to be disputed by anyone, so does not require verification. Unless the person who added that tag is disputing it? It's not the interpretation or conclusion of one individual either. If no one comments on this in one month, I'll remove the tag. Middd (talk) 22:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. It appears to be "unwritten rule" in some British Army messes as well. It is very difficult to get written verification of this sort of thing as they tend not to be in the public domain. --Panzer71 (talk) 21:59, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

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THIS PAGE IS A MESS IN ITSELF

We need to give it a better name. Mess has many other common meanings and this needs not be considered wp:primary. <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> (talk) 11:22, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

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HBG (Heimbetriebsgesellschaft)

Isn't the German HBG (Heimbetriebsgesellschaft) more like the NAAFI, than a mess? If agreed upon, should the text be removed or revised? Creuzbourg (talk) 14:54, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 30 April 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

Mess → ? – not primary topic Jq ---- contributions 21:45, 30 April 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. Feeglgeef (talk) 22:35, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

  • Move to Mess hall, which is bolded in the lead and is more common than "mess deck" per Ngram, and move Mess (disambiguation) → Mess. —Myceteae‍🍄‍🟫 (talk) 03:12, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
    I still think Mess hall is a better title, but in reviewing the other entries on the dab page, this article is still likely the primary topic. As is the case with so many dictionary words, the actual primary meaning by usage of mess doesn't map to an encyclopedic concept. Thus Mess would most appropriately be a primary redirect back here, which would raise the question as to why we moved this in the first place. Mess hall is more WP:PRECISE and would more clearly signal to readers looking for the dictionary meaning which page they've landed on, but I accept that this may not be a worthwhile change. —Myceteae‍🍄‍🟫 (talk) 23:05, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
  • Oppose The nomination is wrong, it is primary amongst things solely called "Mess", anything else would be a WP:PTM. It's possible a broadconcept article could be created for the concept of messiness or disorganization, but currently there is no need for a move and the nomination does not explain why they believe it is not primary with counterexamples. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:57, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
  • OPPOSE The term "mess" has been used by English speaking armies and navies for centuries. It is my opinion that the persons that would suggest such a renaming probably never served and therefore don't understand the historic value of the name. I would love to hear the suggestions for a better name; I'll bet there are some real gems waiting to be posted. The term "mess" means more than just mess hall or mess deck. Those are physical locations. Mess also means a group of persons that eat or dine together because of rank or association, i.e. "Chief's Mess or "Company Mess Night" Cuprum17 (talk) 12:46, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
    probably never served and therefore don't understand the historic value of the name. That isn't relevant, please review the naming conventions. Feeglgeef (talk) 22:35, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
  • Oppose per all above. Also note that "mess hall" is not used in the UK. It's just "mess" here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:02, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
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