Talk:Mohammed Sinwar

Just putting a note here in case it comes up again - I've removed references to Mohammed Sinwar being selected as Hamas' leader, since all the sources I could find for it as of 2024-12-15 are rumours. Hamas temporary committee says nobody has yet been selected. Smallangryplanet (talk) 17:44, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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Yesyesmrcool (talk) 23:10, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

He died

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Day Creature (talk) 01:58, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

according to times of Israel, Israel national news and others, the idf has recovered sinwars body from a tunnel near the airstrike, should we update the page? 149.22.219.132 (talk) 06:56, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Mohammed Sinwar's body has been found in a tunnel struck by IDF https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-18-2025/?utm_source=article_hpsidebar&utm_medium=desktop_site MemeDab99 (talk) 09:45, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Arab and Israeli media have confirmed the death of the terrorist. newspaper1 and israeli. Uziel GSStui (talk) 13:41, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Dies of WSJ WSJ Uziel GSStui (talk) 15:49, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Last I’ve seen is that Israel’s channel 14 has denied these claims and said the idf has yet to approach the area surrounding the hospital. “#Israel denies reports received via the Saudi Channel of Events that Muhammad Al-Senwar's body and a number of his associates were found in the area that was targeted in Khan Yunis.” 24.44.22.34 (talk) 01:08, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

I have only seen reports that say he might be dead. There is no confirmation. I think it is inappropriate and jumped the gun to list him as deceased. 2600:6C5A:2E40:25:0:0:0:1FC5 (talk) 01:22, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

A Saudi report and the Israeli military assessment have concluded he died. The Hamas terrorists and Hamas-run Ministry of Health in Gaza won't want to announce his death for obvious reasons. Kala7992 (talk) 04:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Can you post your reference to an "Israeli military assessment"? Regarding the Saudi report, turn your attention to 24.44.22.34's comment. 2600:6C5A:2E40:25:0:0:0:1FC5 (talk) 01:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Israeli Defence Minster Israel Katz's assessment - https://www.jns.org/katz-all-indications-point-to-mohammed-sinwars-death/ Kala7992 (talk) 01:26, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

He said Sinwar was likely killed, not definitely, and that's not a military assessment. Linkin Prankster (talk) 03:54, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Please, the last time we had this debate was with Mohammed Deif, and he turned out to be dead. You should definitely not take Hamas as a credible source. The IDF isn't perfect, but they have a much better track record than them, alongside the Saudi reports OrientalSmith (talk) 14:20, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

This editing claimed a source on 19 May 2025. I put an updated source on 21 May 2025. Therefore, the death is valid. _Dgw|Talk 17:08, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Just because a media report said he is dead, doesn't mean he is. And Deif turning out to be dead doesn't mean we should do the same here when not even the IDF has confirmed his death. Linkin Prankster (talk) 03:54, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

I am not saying we have concrete classification left, but we still shouldn't list sinwar as alive since his fate is still being debated. Also, we shouldn't trust a Hamas spokesperson who lied about Deif and Yahya sinwar being alive. OrientalSmith (talk) 14:31, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Even the IDF hasn't confirmed him as dead. Why should we list him as dead? Linkin Prankster (talk) 14:52, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Netanyahu has confirmed Mohammed Sinwar has been eliminated: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250528-%F0%9F%94%B4-netanyahu-says-hamas-gaza-chief-mohammed-sinwar-has-been-eliminated

If you still seriously believe that Hamas official wasn't lying like Hamas did with Mohammed Deif then I have a bridge to sell you. Kala7992 (talk) 13:50, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

The IDF has confirmed he was elminated - https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-shin-bet-confirm-hamas-leader-muhammad-sinwar-killed-in-may-13-strike-on-tunnel-under-south-gaza-hospital/ Kala7992 (talk) 19:12, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Well now that the IDF confirmed it, I don't see much reason to think he is still alive. OrientalSmith (talk) 19:47, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Exactly he isn't, relying on what Osama Hamdan said as if he is't a proven liar is sheer lunacy. Kala7992 (talk) 20:41, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Fixed described as dead in our article. Lova Falk (talk) 10:03, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

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I would like to edit this page. Stelios P.cy (talk) 14:06, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. it's lio! | talk | work 14:21, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

There has been no confirmation by Hamas, in fact Osama Hamdan outright denied it .

I'm aware Hamas hid the death of Deif in past, but it's a one-off case and Israel itself has been wrong in its claims, example Issam al-Da'alis.

We shouldn't add his death as confirmed until Hamas confirms it. Supreme Rankling (talk) 15:29, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

A one-off case? Hamas doesn't acknowledge its slain commanders until it literally has no means left to deny it. As if directly lying and denying Mohammed Deif was dead for almost a year wasn't enough. Where was their confirmation of Marwan Issa's death for an example off the hip?? Not a word until 2025. I'm not gonna argue israel's word is the end-all be-all, but brother, if we only acknowledge a death when Hamas says so, we'd better go back and edit about 90% of their leadership here to say they're still alive, and never change anything since they'll never admit a thing. Tooli Mars (talk) 19:54, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

I know how 90% of these interactions go and what always happens (take Marwan Issa, Mohammed Deif, Yahya Sinwar, and Rafa Salameh) is that at some point the IDF confirms it while Hamas still denies it, which leads to an edit war where some people think Hamas is the gospel and never lies so they revert most of the edits, only for them to confirm a few months later when there is no reason not to anymore, which leads to those edits then being reverted to say he was killed only after Hamas confirms it. Unless Hamas gives concrete evidence of his survival, then it is fair to leave him as dead. OrientalSmith (talk) 13:58, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

His death is still not confirmed by the IDF per https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-tells-knesset-muhammad-sinwar-killed-idf-has-yet-to-confirm/. Pachu Kannan (talk) 21:13, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

I think it is a very high chance that he is dead since nobody except Hamas's spokesperson (who is the absolute last person you want to have reliable information about their commander's fate), and if he was indeed within the tunnel than it is a very low chance he survived in any form. OrientalSmith (talk) 13:53, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Yes well, facts can't be based on "likely". Supreme Rankling (talk) 14:08, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Well they don't have to be anymore, as they are confirmed. OrientalSmith (talk) 19:50, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Now the IDF HAS confirmed it - https://www.ynetnews.com/article/by62chomel

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/31/gaza-israel-hamas-ceasefire-middle-east-crisis-live-news-updates?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with%3Ablock-683b3da68f086f603008532e#block-683b3da68f086f603008532e Kala7992 (talk) 18:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Fixed described as dead in our article. Lova Falk (talk) 10:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

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IDF sources have stated to Sky News that they haven't confirmed Sinwar's death . Hamas hasn't confirmed it either.

I request that all claims of death be removed and Sinwar be shown as alive until his death is explicitly confirmed. Supreme Rankling (talk) 15:42, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Please see here from the Wall Street Journal with reports from Hamas officials that Sinwar and others were killed. https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israeli-airstrike-that-killed-top-hamas-leader-in-gaza-hit-meeting-of-top-militants-1573fc00. Additionally, as noted above, the Government of Israel now assesses that he was killed -- and this was not an immediate assessment. Clearly, they have some intelligence.

Why wait for Hamas to explicitly confirm that their leader is dead? There is a non-insignificant chance that never occurs. Debartolo2917 (talk) 15:53, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

The IDF has the responsibility of identifying whether he is dead, and the IDF has made no such assessment. Also a lone report using anonymous sources can't be taken as official confirmation by Hamas. Supreme Rankling (talk) 16:46, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

The IDF and Shin Bet have both confirmed Sinwar has been eliminated:

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/by62chomel

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/31/gaza-israel-hamas-ceasefire-middle-east-crisis-live-news-updates?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with%3Ablock-683b3da68f086f603008532e#block-683b3da68f086f603008532e Kala7992 (talk) 18:53, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

 Not done Too many sources now confirming that he is dead. Lova Falk (talk) 10:06, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

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The second paragraph states, "Israel made several attempts to assassinate him, the last of which killed him.[4]" This is contradicted by the provided source, which states "On May 13, 2025, Israel launched a massive airstrike on what it described as a "Hamas command and control compound" under the European Hospital in Khan Yunis, using nine bunker-buster bombs. Israel claimed the operation targeted Mohammed Sinwar, but asserted it was "still uncertain of its success."

In the same context, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that Israeli security services are facing difficulties in confirming the death of Mohammed Sinwar."

I believe that the sentence should state "... the last of which reportedly killed him."

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ArugalaEnthusiast (talk) 22:04, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Now all of this is utterly irrelevant since the IDF has now confirmed he was eliminated: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/by62chomel

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-says-it-killed-hamas-military-leader-mohammed-sinwar-may-13-2025-05-31/ Kala7992 (talk) 18:58, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

 Not done Sources confirm him as eliminated. Lova Falk (talk) 10:07, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

On 31 May 2025, the IDF and Shin Bet has confirmed Sinwar has been eliminated:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-says-it-killed-hamas-military-leader-mohammed-sinwar-may-13-2025-05-31/

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/by62chomel

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-856166

So now nobody can argue that there is no proof he has been killed anymore. Also Hamas and Osama Hamdan have lied about their commanders not being dead multiple times (such as Mohammed Deif), so there's no point in relying on them whatsoever they cannot be trusted in this regard. Kala7992 (talk) 19:06, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Fixed. Lova Falk (talk) 10:08, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

@Lova Falk the Reuters article doesn't confirm his alleged death in its own voice but rather attributes it to Israel nothing that Hamas has neither confirmed nor denied it.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 21:10, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

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Hamas hasn't officially confirmed Sinwar as dead, on the contrary Hamas official Osama Hamdan has denied it .

I know Hamas has sometimes falsely claimed that its leaders were alive, only for them to turn up dead later. But, the IDF has itself been caught lying many times. Example when they claimed to have failed in assassination of Muhammad Shabana, they released the image of an Egyptian journalist claiming to be the Hamas commander . This is apart from the fact that they include killed civlians as Hamas sometimes .

Neither IDF, nor Hamas should be trusted. So I request that Mohammed Sinwar be shown as alive. Supreme Rankling (talk) 13:06, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Ironic, earlier you said you were waiting for Hamas confirmation when you said "We shouldn't add his death as confirmed until Hamas confirms it" and now you say Hamas shouldn't be trusted. And you mentioned Osama Hamdan's denial of death as proof who has a record of lying. The Hamas official who lied about Mohammed Deif's death was Osama Hamdan himself

So who exactly, do you 'trust'? How is Hamas any more trustworthy than the IDF and Shin Bet's military assessment? Your selective skepticism shows a clear bias toward Hamas, despite pretending otherwise.

You have also failed to provide any solid evidence, since your argument that "the IDF has lied before" relies on incidents entirely unrelated to the current dispute. The example of the misidentified Egyptian journalist, and the claim that the IDF sometimes misclassifies civilians as Hamas, have no bearing on the joint IDF–Shin Bet assessment regarding Sinwar — who was not an average Hamas member, but the most senior-ranking Hamas official in the Gaza Strip at the time of the airstrike.

Your claim that Sinwar shouldn't be marked as dead directly contradicts current reports from multiple reliable sources, including a joint IDF–Shin Bet statement, covered by Times of Israel, Reuters, and others.

Per WP:RS and WP:DUE, Hamas’ denial does not outweigh jointly verified military intelligence that has been widely reported.

Extended-confirmed access is not meant to bypass policy or push fringe claims — it’s meant to protect article integrity from biased or unsourced edits.

Kala7992 (talk) 13:19, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

I never said Hamas is a reliable source, however I had other things to do so I left that issue about Hamas not confirming it aside. However, I don't feel the IDF is a reliable source either. Supreme Rankling (talk) 14:20, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

You're now saying you "left aside" the issue of Hamas not confirming it — but your entire request relies on Osama Hamdan's denial.

You still haven’t provided a single reliable source disputing the joint IDF–Shin Bet statement, which has been widely reported by Reuters and others.

Per WP:RS, policy favors published, verifiable information from mainstream sources. For example Sky News uses the term 'confirmed' for Sinwar's death to describe the joint IDF-Shin Bet assessment , and Sky News is not a source biased towards Israel.

Vague distrust of both sides is not a valid reason to override clear, well-sourced reporting from multiple news outlets across the political spectrum.

Unless you can present a reliable third party source that credibly disputes Sinwar’s death, the article should reflect what’s been confirmed and reported rather than personal skepticism based on what you "feel". Kala7992 (talk) 14:32, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

IDF has been caught lying multiple times. I say I "feel" because my opinion won't be shared by others. Supreme Rankling (talk) 14:37, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Sky News only repeats what Israel says, the article says it very clearly.

I agree with you that we need a neutral, reliable source - so I suggest not mentioning the date of death and just pointing out that, according to the Israeli authorities, he died in a targeted assassination. Tarek lb (talk) 15:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

What exactly would you consider a "neutral, reliable source" here? Since by your logic if IDF and Shin Bet are unreliable, then Hamas certainly isn't reliable either. Sky News and the numerous other news outlets that have stated the assessment as a confirmation of Sinwar's death are reliable, neutral sources under WP:RS. Reporting the confirmed IDF–Shin Bet statement as Sky News, Reuters, and others have is standard journalistic practice, not just "repeating what Israel says."

Unless a reliable source disputes Sinwar’s death, removing the date or downplaying it would violate WP:RS, WP:DUE, and WP:V. The wiki page should reflect what has been widely reported, not personal skepticism or distrust. Kala7992 (talk) 16:00, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Some media reports are not confirmation. Supreme Rankling (talk) 17:11, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy relies on verifiability per WP:V — not your personal threshold for confirmation. Sky News, Reuters, and other WP:RS compliant sources have all reported that IDF and Shin Bet confirmed his death. That meets Wikipedia standards.

Clearly, nothing short of a statement from Hamas will satisfy you, despite their well-documented history of denying the deaths of their senior commanders. Kala7992 (talk) 17:27, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

 Not done too many sources saying that he is dead. Lova Falk (talk) 10:09, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Five persons on the 2012 photo on the right are not yet identified. Some people think one of the standing persons (2nd from right) might be Mohammed Sinwar. Any thoughts? Vysotsky (talk) 22:30, 7 November 2025 (UTC)

It certainly looks like him. However, whatever we may think, we need proof that it is him. Friendly, Lova Falk (talk) 19:17, 22 February 2026 (UTC)