Talk:N.F.-Board

Hello. The 2025 edits to the article are pure vandalism. The article is biased; in my opinion, the person is trying to improve the image of this organization.

I think listing 50 members in 2013 is a mistake; there were never 50, almost ten in reality. There are already Members of the N.F.-Board on the list; they never had teams and never played. The historical members section makes absolutely no sense; they just added to the list of members. There are also no reliable, long-term sources.

controversies

Departure of Monaco In 2010, the Monaco Football Association left the N.F.-Board. The captain of the selection at the time, Yohan Garino, explains: "For political reasons, we are not authorized by our government to play against certain teams. We also had some problems with the NF-Board which used photos of the Monaco Football Association and Prince Albert as advertising for their many matches without authorization. We were particularly disappointed by this last point which is very detrimental to us".^[5]

In 2017, Paul Watson (football manager) stated in an interview with These Football Times magazine, "When starting out alongside his friend Matt Conrad, Watson was given the opportunity to join the New Federation Board (NF-Board). The NF-Board was an organization that represented non-FIFA members and offered them the opportunity to participate in their own version of the official World Cup. It also had the appeal of being a support group for second-tier nations and underdogs. However, after discovering that the NF-Board had not offered him any financial assistance during his time as head coach, Watson decided not to fill out the registration forms; fearmongering also played a role in this decision. "At the time I was on Pohnpei, the only non-FIFA organization was the NF-Board. Although they had organized some very impressive World Cups, the VIVA World Cup for non-FIFA teams, by the time I was on Pohnpei, they had become less active and their communications were not very convincing. They seemed to want Pohnpei on their list for the sake of signing them up, so we never joined. Despite this, the NF-Board continues to list Pohnpei (State) and Yap (State), although no one on the island has ever spoken to them." ^[6] · ^[7] · ^[8] · ^[9] · ^[10]

Given the edits to the articles on the other Wikipedia pages (especially French and German) of the nf-board, some things are far too specific for this to be just an average person. Kxeon and the Jean-Luc KIT account, they are members of the nf-board, it may be the same person or someone close to him, given the modifications see "NF-Board": history of versions in French and German. The person is biased, partisan.

I request the cancellation of this person's 2025 edits to this article, which seems far too suspicious to me. Cordially. 2A01:E0A:1D9:1B70:A171:D4ED:D111:186C (talk) 22:17, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

Nope. Not even close. I'm not a sock puppet; not even close! Also, I did say already that Pohnpei was not a member, same goes for Yap. I even gave a source for it??? I mean, yeah we can keep this paragraph, but I'm not a sock, I'm not part of the N.F.-Board, and I haven't even met JLK (let alone got close to him). I just research a lot about the N.F.-Board. I don't even speak French! Or German! I'm just trying to improve the amount of information about the NFB... my edits on frwiki and dewiki were just to fix their respective members lists!

Also, no reliable sources? I checked and The Guardian is a reliable source. Times of India is a reliable source here. The YouTube refs have verified owners, as do the Facebook refs. Scribd is advised not to be used, but it seems fine here as well. I'll go check some more in order to find every reliable source, and also make a list of percentages of those sources.

Also also, the "Historical" members are still members. They can always participate. (And yes, I had a source for this, but for once I can't find it. Drats. But don't write it off; I know I saw them say it... probably harder to find because it's all in French.)

I made the chart using omnicalculator.com, (however due to human error, and dead links, 3 have been excluded). At the moment however it doesn't seem like much of a problem since there are so many it wouldn't make too much of a difference without 3 of them.

More information Group, Value ...

Group	Value	Percentage
Primary	66	64.71
Secondary	32	31.37
Tertiary	4	3.92

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And this is only counting the member countries' references as primary (there are 10 of them; counted as Secondary the percentages are 54.9:41.8).

Furthermore, 17 of the 105 references are from the NFB, and 7 from the CENF, and 5 from CSANF/COSANFF. 22 of the primary sources are used for member verification only. (Removing member-verifying sources gives 48.89:46.67)

Also, I tried to be as neutral as I could be. If I am somehow not neutral, despite just trying to take from the sources, then sorry. But I don't see a neutrality problem here. Please, tell me what is not neutral here.

Also also, this is of 2017, not 2013. They didn't have just 10 members back then either though. They had 35. kxeon  talk 16:47, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

• Also, excuse me for forgetting, look at this part, there is nothing from Wikipedia, the person takes positions directly on the article. There is a serious problem. The person must be blocked.....

Breakup of the N.F.-Board

During the Kurdistan 2012 VIVA World Cup, a large sum of money intended for the event disappeared. The Belgian tax authorities subsequently investigated. Disputes arose among the founders. At the 2013 Annual General Meeting in Munich, Christian Michelis, one of the founders of the N.F.-Board, resigned as president, but as there were still many financial irregularities in his presidency that needed investigation, the NFB did not accept. Michelis denied this, and the association subsequently suspended him. Thus, the organizational structure collapsed, and the association existed only on paper.[20][21]

Swedish referee Per-Anders Blind, who also officiated at VIVA World Cup matches and attended the Annual General Meeting in Munich, was subsequently approached by various member associations to make a new football confederation. Blind, in response, founded the Confederation of Independent Football Associations (CIFA; now CONIFA) in August 2013.[22][23][20][21] In 2024, the NFB also made the claim that Michelis had reached out to Per-Anders Blind to approve of the creation of CONIFA, shortly after his resignation.

Due to the N.F.-Board's problem with organising tournaments ever since the fracture, CONIFA has been the new ruler of the Non-FIFA scene ever since.

Cease and Desist

On 17 November 2013, a cease and desist was filed against the N.F.-Board by CONIFA, for defamation by Jean Luc-Kit and the NFB's official website targeting it, on the grounds of:[25]

The homepage of the N.F.-Board calling the renaming of its Facebook group "fraudulent confiscation".[26]

A letter to the members published on the homepage, which says: "Worst even, some like Per Anders Blind are actually using some documents and the name of the NFB in order to redirect members to their profit."[19]

In a mail from 14 November 2013, Jean Luc-Kit said:

ConIFA [...] lies to you and still uses on its web site the names of persons and FA againts their will. For example, the letter of support from the FA of Kurdistan which you will find enclosed with this letter. Recently, the FA Isle of Man protested. We have doubts on the legality of names used by Padania, Lapland and Quebec. The president of the legal FA Tamileelam has already protested.

In another email from the next day (15 November 2013), Kit calls ConIFA "a group of pirates", also stating:

These pirates use wrong names on their "OrganisationChart" and wrong FAs, or they create some new illegal FA for their next supposed tournament. Hijacking our initial tournament in Östersund, they used our name to approach sponsors. They used our initial facebook Group pirating the name, they use the photos of the VIVA World Cup under copyright without our authorization on their propaganda.

and in the same email, he listed that:

Kurdistan is wrong

Isle of Man is a pirate team

Sápmi is probably a pirate team (we await the official information)

Quebec? Ask the Quebec Soccer Association...

Tamil Eelam is a pirate team - we received an official protestation from their legal president, and this group uses illegaly the official logo created during the last VIVA WC 2012 by him)

However, despite CONIFA's legal threats, it appears no action has been taken based on the aforementioned cease and desist, despite the continuation of the alleged defamation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:1D9:1B70:A171:D4ED:D111:186C (talk) 22:26, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

First off, you can't cite Wikipedia when you're on Wikipedia. Although, I did make that mistake, by citing Talk:N.F.-Board#Status / Historical record keeping. Whoops.

Second off, I see no problem with the part you quoted, apart from quoting primary sources and/or a Cease and Desist on Scribd. Also, the "Breakup of the N.F.-Board" section was based off of the German article for the NFB. kxeon  talk 18:18, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

Also, in regards to your edit summary, we're supposed to use secondary sources, aren't we? kxeon  talk 18:48, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

• You're copying the NF-board website onto the Wikipedia page, which is already not normal. YouTube and Facebook aren't a newspaper, nor are they sources. You only have one source to cite: "The Guardian." I'm not asking for percentages, but for reliable and long-standing sources.

Oh, but they are. They aren't newspapers, but they can work as sources sometimes. And here it works, does it not? Tell me if this is a terrible citation, but please see WP:SELFSOURCE, or WP:RELIABILITY and evaluate. kxeon  talk 02:12, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

However, given your stubbornness on the subject, you're someone who's linked to the NF-Board.

No, I'm still not a member of the N.F.-Board. I am not a member of the N.F.-Board or linked to it. You are probably not a member of CONIFA nor are you linked to it. Please stop throwing accusations like that around... kxeon  talk 19:33, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

Also, did you evaluate like I asked you to, based off of those policies? kxeon  talk 19:35, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

• Îles d'Or is the unknown soldier; there's absolutely nothing.
• The ONF, there's no information. The graph is useless; you're repeating what's on the NF-Board's Facebook page.
• The historical members, I repeat for the umpteenth time, the majority of them, have never been part of the NF-Board. You haven't reformulated anything; you keep repeating the same thing.
• I'll repeat the sentence you quote: "and finally, the NF* alleging that several member associations protested the use of their names by CONIFA," the same associations that are part of CONIFA and have left the NF-Board. Given your behavior, you are a member of the NF-Board, this will not be the first time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:1D9:1B70:299E:C10F:444B:5D16 (talk) 07:33, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

• Îles d'Or has no information, correct, but we know Îles d'Or exists. Considering there's no information online and we know it was made in 2014. How would the N.F.-Board get their logo if they didn't contact them? Chechnya and Sardinia are both N.F.-Board historical members. I checked.(Sources: Chechnya:NFB Tribune (February—March 2011); Sardinia: NFB News (Spring—Summer 2009)) They all really do have connections with the N.F.-Board, AND are in it. Therefore you could say 0% of historical members are not part of the N.F.-Board.
• Also, the OMF... is one Google search away.
• Also, are you still annoyed about the "Cease and Desist" section even existing; despite the fact that I tried to reword it to be more neutral? You don't want the section at all? You only want to have it linked despite it being historically significant? You don't even want to try to reword it to be neutral? I still see nothing wrong here.
• Also also, the Cease and Desist isn't on the N.F.-Board's website. Nor is the fact that Kiribati, Pohnpei and Yap are not members of the N.F.-Board... or that Southern Lower Saxony is a joke member... Infact, remember only 17 sources are from the N.F.-Board.
• So you think, that the graph which shows how many primary sources, how many secondaries, and how many tertiaries, is useless? Unless you say that it became useless the second it went off by even one?
• Also, how are there 0 members anyway? Right now the only source I have for every NF-Board member being "historical/former" is JLK's update to frwiki's article on the NF-Board. I wonder, can you please provide sources to support your claim as well? Right now I'm short on sources that do that. kxeon  talk 19:33, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

• I'll correct you: "Historical" members are still members." Some of them aren't even aware they were part of the NF-board, some have never had a discussion with it, and they end up on this list. "They can still participate," They don't even know they were members of the NF-Board. How is your graph useful?
• You need sources, for example: from the BBC, CNN, Foxnews, RTL, RTBF, LeHuffpost, etc.
• If you were neutral, this shouldn't appear: "Cease and Desist." I modified it, it was more than enough; 95% of what was there is unacceptable on Wikipedia.
• Regarding the members, there were a little more than twenty, the rest there are no sources, no article confirming that these football associations were part of the NF-Board. Besides, some associations never existed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:1D9:1B70:299E:C10F:444B:5D16 (talk) 21:56, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

  • But all the historical ones seem to have connections with the N.F.-Board anyway. Even if one doesn't (such as Îles d'Or), we may need to find information that could specifically say it does not. But in this case, it seems that all Historical members have been proven to be part of the NFB (except for Îles d'Or... because there's basically no info about it online...). Also, my graph seemed to be a useful thing; as it displays (close enough, off by -3) percentages and numbers, of how many of each type of source there is.
  • WP:SELFSOURCE, or WP:RELIABILITY? Does this solve that?
  • "If you were neutral, this shouldn't appear: 'Cease and Desist.' I modified it, it was more than enough; 95% of what was there is unacceptable on Wikipedia." It seems like it would be better to reword it and not delete it entirely, no? I tried to reword it so that it is more neutral:

    On 17 November 2013, a cease and desist was filed against the N.F.-Board by CONIFA, for defamation by Jean Luc-Kit and the NFB's official website targeting it, on the grounds of the NFB saying that CONIFA "lies", the homepage of the N.F.-Board calling the renaming of its Facebook group "fraudulent confiscation", a letter to the members on the aforementioned homepage alleging that Per-Anders Blind was illegally using the NFB's documents and name, and multiple football associations' names, and finally, the NFB* alleging that multiple member FAs have protested against their names' usage by CONIFA.

  • Regarding the members, here's a source: . I must ask, which ones are false?

  kxeon  talk 03:11, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

  • Also, when did the N.F.-Board die? You say 2012 (the last VIVA World Cup ever played), reasonably it would be 2013 and even then it got revived on 10 June of that same year. kxeon  talk 12:57, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

• Southern Lower Saxony was dismissed as a joke by the organization's president. No team was created.
• Cossack, Ort Islands, Rijeka, Wallonia, Himalaya, Casamance, Maasai, Fulani, West Indies, Labaj, and the Football Association of Stateless Peoples—there is no evidence of their existence, no team, except on the NF-Board website page. There are no primary, secondary, or impartial sources, and no newspaper articles.
• Rapa Nui is part of the CSANF. There are no sources on whether Rapa Nui could have been a member of the NF-Board.

• The "Republic of Saugeais" only played one match in its existence, on June 29, 2013, against Rhaetia (1-1 result). The NF board no longer existed at that time. There is also no evidence that Saugeais could have been part of the NF-B; there are no existing sources.
• Gagauzia played matches in the ELF Cup, which was organized by Northern Cyprus. There are no sources regarding Gagauzia as a member of the NF-B.

• Franconia and Székely Land played several matches exclusively under the auspices of ConIFA. There are no sources proving that Franconia and Székely Land could have been part of the NF-B.

• Tutmonda Esperanto Futbalo Asocio only played matches in South America, Finland, South Korea, France, Portugal, Slovakia, and the Zamenhof Cup, a member of the CSANF. There is no evidence that Esperanto was part of the NF-B.

• Yap and Pohnpei: In 2017, Paul Watson (football manager) stated in an interview with These Football Times magazine, "During his early days alongside his friend Matt Conrad, Watson was given the opportunity to join the New Federation Board (NF-Board). The NF-Board was an organization that represented non-FIFA members and offered them the opportunity to participate in their own version of the official World Cup. It also had the appeal of being a support group for second-tier nations and underdogs. However, after discovering that the NF-Board had not offered him any financial assistance during his time as head coach, Watson decided not to fill out the registration forms, and alarmist rumors also played a role in this decision. "At the time I was in Pohnpei, the only non-FIFA organization was the NF-Board. Although they have organized some very impressive World Cups, the VIVA World Cup for non-FIFA teams, by the time I was in Pohnpei, they had become less active and their communications were not very convincing. They seemed to want Pohnpei on their list for the sake of listing them, so we never joined. Despite this, the NF-Board continues to list Pohnpei (State) and Yap (State), although no one on the island has ever spoken to them."^[11] · ^[12] · ^[13] · ^[14] · ^[15]. Kiribati and Tuvalu were members of ConIFA, Tuvalu replaced Kiribati at the 2018 ConIFA World Cup in England. Palau and the Marshall Islands participate in the Micronesian Games^[16][17]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:1D9:1B70:299E:C10F:444B:5D16 (talk) 22:17, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
• I made sure to section off Yap and Pohnpei though. AND Southern Lower Saxony.
• TeraBrigasca Labaj's football team definitely exists.^[18][19]
• Rijeka is also an existant team; see here, they clearly states and show that they exist.^[20][19]
• Wallonia (specifically the Walloonian Football Federation; the one that's in the NFB) says that they don't have the funds to make a team.^[21]
• Himalaya despite my best efforts, all I could find was a higher quality logo, and two mentions from arogeraldes on Twitter, and DiegoArcos. We don't even know who the president is. What we do know, however, is that they have a team, and were set to play against Labaj.^[19]
• For Rapa Nui, at first CSANF, now COSANFF, WAS partnered with them, and even had them in their logo. Nowadays though, they don't mention them right now as it looks like they're out. Thus, their membership may have been tied with COSANFF; and so as COSANFF has seemingly left the N.F.-Board, it could be that Rapa Nui has met the same fate? I tried searching for them but it didn't even bring any results though...

Now then, the rest, are the ones that I could find an association for, but not a team, including

• Îles d'Or^[22] (Couldn't find much else about this FA, including whether or not they were part of the NFB or not. Also by Ort Islands I think this is what you meant.)
• Apatrids^[23]
• Massai^[24]
• Fulani/Peule^[25]
• Cossack^[26]

New accusations:

• West Indies: See West Indies national football team
• Saugeais is part of the NFB..^[19] Also, their first international was against Raetia in 2013. Their first general match was in 2009.^[27]
• Esperanto is also said to be part of the N.F.-Board by their FA.^[28]
• Franconia was accepted into the NFB on 1 June 2013.^[29]
• NFB-EUROPE is.. something. But it exists. That's for sure.^[30] Although, I can't find anything about NFB-AFRICA for whatever reason.

Unknown:

• I'm not so sure about Casamance though. I added it to the article without a source. So I know I found something but I forgot it's location and now I can't find it twice.
• I also can't find any information about Găgăuzia either.

Also, you want different sources for the following places:

1. The Members List (current source: N.F.-Board, primary because it should be sourced from the N.F.-Board directly, no? when one of the members is proven to be wrong they should be removed and put in the "non-members" list)
2. The Cease and Desist (source: Scribd, presumably the original document)

Am I getting this right? kxeon  talk 02:12, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

Also, Play Up Pohnpei don't talk about what you're trying to use it as a source for. And you forgot to translate "Mettez en avant Pohnpei, la pire nation du football" to "Play up Pohnpei, world's worst footballing nation". Which ALSO doesn't talk about what you're trying to use it for. You also forgot "Up Pohnpei : Mener les outsiders du football à la gloire (Profile Livres)" → "Up Pohnpei: Leading the ultimate football underdogs to glory"... but that actually does talk about it.

Plus, tell me if I'm illiterate, but Pair's hopes for football minnows doesn't seem to talk about it either. Yes it mentions Pohnpei's aspirations to be in the NFB, but it doesn't say that Watson decided to not register, it just seems to say the team disintegrated. Le parisien and Ouest France do not say what you say they do either; they're only talking about the Marshall Islands' first match, and not the Micronesian Games. Although, both Palau and the Marshall Islands played the Micronesia, how is this relevant to the N.F.-Board member list? (The only one in the Micronesian Games which would be relevant is Kiribati) kxeon  talk 04:48, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

• I'll repeat your sentence, "I took care to remove Yap and Pohnpei, as well as southern Lower Saxony." Yes, you can only remove them; they ended up on the NF-Board list, even though they aren't members and have never had any contact with them.
• The TeraBrigasca Labaj football team, what you're using aren't sources; they're YouTube pages, blogs, Facebook pages, and websites that are not official. Moreover, the Facebook page you're showing has 120 subscribers and one to three posts per year.
• Wallonia and the ONF, which you can forget. There's no team and they've never officially declared that they were part of the NF-Board.
• The Himalayas, there's nothing, Twitter isn't a source; you're having trouble understanding. Himalayas, there is no team; it never existed.
• Easter Island, Rapa Nui, they are part of ConIFA.
• Golden Islands, Stateless, Maasai, Fulani, Cossacks, there is nothing, no sources; what you posted are not sources.
• West Indies Football Federation, there was indeed a Netherlands Antilles football team, but it was never a member of the NF-Board.
• Republic of Saugeais, I repeat once again, a Facebook page is not a source. A quick history lesson: Saugeais is a micronation born from a joke in 1947 between the then-prefect of Doubs, Louis Ottaviani, passing through Montbenoît, and Georges Pourchet, then a hotelier and restaurateur at the Auberge de l'Abbaye. By the way, is there a newspaper article showing that he was a member of the NF-Board?
• Esperanto, YouTube, Facebook, and blogs are not sources.
• Franconia, I quote your phrase "was admitted to the NF on June 1, 2013," was primarily a member of ConIFA.
• NF-EUROPE and NF-AFRICA, there is nothing.

Currently, in everything you've done, there is nothing credible, no reliable sources, no quality sources, no lasting sources. At the moment nothing is credible.

Sources on the NF Board Wikipedia page.

• 1/ NF-Board, you can leave it.
• 2/ Of the 8 sources, two seem correct, besteleven, and still must use NF Board sources and some historical elements. The Guardian (correct source).
• 3/ Serborga: 283 inhabitants, SerborgaTV (Source). Cascadia, Abkhazia, and Tibet are part of ConIFA. Tibet and Cascadia were members of the NF-Board for a short time. The Times of India (correct source).
• 4/ idrottsforum, it's a forum, not a source. roadsandkingdoms (correct source) released in 2014 a few days before the 2014 ConIFA World Cup.
• 5/ NF-Board adds nothing.
• 6/ An archive that repeats what we already know. It's useless. *7/ 8/ 9/ 10/ 11/ 12/ 13/ Many archives that add nothing to the sourcing; all 7 sources say the same thing.
• 14/ NF-Board adds nothing.
• 15/ The source no longer exists.
• 16/ sverigesradio (Correct source)
• 17/ Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation (Correct source)
• 18/ Archive that adds nothing
• 19/ NF-Board adds nothing.
• 20/ playthegame Interesting source.
• 21/ Archive that adds nothing
• 22/ 23/ Correct source
• 24/ NF-Board's Facebook page is not a source.
• 25/ Scribd is interesting, however, you copied and pasted.
• 26/ 27/ 28/ 29 30/ Good sources
• 31/ 32/ 33/ 34/ NF-Board adds nothing
• 35/ Correct source
• 36/ NF-Board adds nothing, Facebook and archives
• 37/ Correct source
• 38/ 39/ 40 NF-Board adds nothing, Facebook are not sources.
• 41/ No source
• 42/ NF-Board provides nothing
• 43/ Facebook page is not a source.
• 44/ Video of a match on YouTube is still not a source.
• 45/ Serborga: 283 inhabitants. (Source already posted in 3/)
• 46/ Facebook page is not a source
• 47/ Provides nothing.
• 48/ UNPO page, but you need to explain why.
• 49/ Provides nothing. Association created on 04/10/2014, last updated on 04/30/2014. Not a source.
• 50/ It's a blog, not a source.
• 51/ Useless archive
• 52/ This source has already been posted, why post it a second time?
• 53/ Useless, archive.
• 54/ 55/ Correct source.
• 56/ 57/ It adds nothing and isn't very official. Archives.
• 58/ 4 Useless sources, the Yellow Pages seriously...
• 59/ Correct source.
• 60/ NF-Board adds nothing.
• 61/ It's an association registered in the business directory, it doesn't add anything new; there are no articles about this association.
• 62/ The YouTube video isn't a source.
• 63/ The source hasn't existed for long.
• 64/ The Facebook page isn't a source. In fact, looking at the page, they're not very active, with a few posts between 2014 and 2019. Moreover, the logo indicates that the federation was created in 2013; they don't mention the NF-Board.
• 65/ It's an archive with nothing, so it's not a source either.
• 66/ An illegible archive; there are articles in Swedish...
• 67/ The source is correct, even if it doesn't add much.
• 68/ This is not a source, it is a piece of Wikipedia discussion in the NF-Board section in English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:1D9:1B70:299E:C10F:444B:5D16 (talk) 07:59, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

• You misquoted what I said. Hopefully it was unintentional. I said "I made sure to section off Yap and Pohnpei though. AND Southern Lower Saxony.", not "I took care to remove Yap and Pohnpei, as well as southern Lower Saxony."
• "The TeraBrigasca Labaj football team, what you're using aren't sources; they're YouTube pages, blogs, Facebook pages, and websites that are not official."
  • The YouTube pages, Blogs, Facebook pages, and websites that you say are "not official", are though. Like the CONIFA Mediterranean Cup 2021 Brochure or the Non-FIFA Flash (which I hope were unintentionally missed, and not cherrypicking). The ones that are not seem to still work for what they are trying to cite. Such as the YouTube videos from genuinely unofficial accounts (see WP:YOUTUBE-EL); and as for Twitter, it should be avoided; except here it's backed up by a source that is more reputable and more reliable than Twitter.
• "Moreover, the Facebook page you're showing has 120 subscribers and one to three posts per year."
  • How is that relevant?
• "Wallonia and the ONF, which you can forget. There's no team and they've never officially declared that they were part of the NF-Board."
  • First off, Wallonia HAS declared themselves part of the N.F.-Board.^[31][32][33] And as for the ONF, who are you even referring to here? Do you mean the OMF? If so, then that's just plain ridiculous. Also remember, I made sure to mark those who have no team as such? So please, tell me if you're arguing, that those without teams shouldn't exist at all on the page.
• The Himalayas, there's nothing, Twitter isn't a source; you're having trouble understanding. Himalayas, there is no team; it never existed.
  • Ahem. Non-FIFA Flash foils the plans again.^[19]
• Easter Island, Rapa Nui, they are part of ConIFA.
  • That's the same team, and as I've said before, Easter Island is part of COSANFF, which was part of the N.F.-Board before it left. ALTHOUGH there is some new information that I just stumbled upon: Easter Island joined the N.F.-Board in 2006 so therefore my hypothesis can't be true either.^[31] A good explanation for this would be that they really are part of the N.F.-Board. But as I cannot find any information supporting this it's up in the air and has a {{citation needed}} at it's entry on the list.
• Golden Islands, Stateless, Maasai, Fulani, Cossacks, there is nothing, no sources; what you posted are not sources.
  • How are they not sources though? Peule/Fulani, Îles d'Or, and the Apatrides have their association information in the records, which is also proof that they exist. Are you really going to reject something like that? Fedefutbol is surely fine here. While yes they can and sometimes do put FAs without teams onto their site... it's there and the FA exists. Thus, I listed it as not having a team.
• West Indies Football Federation, there was indeed a Netherlands Antilles football team, but it was never a member of the NF-Board.
  • Read the article.
• Republic of Saugeais, I repeat once again, a Facebook page is not a source. A quick history lesson: Saugeais is a micronation born from a joke in 1947 between the then-prefect of Doubs, Louis Ottaviani, passing through Montbenoît, and Georges Pourchet, then a hotelier and restaurateur at the Auberge de l'Abbaye. By the way, is there a newspaper article showing that he was a member of the NF-Board?
  • And I repeat once again, it's fine here. Also, there IS a news article stating this: ^[34]

• Esperanto, YouTube, Facebook, and blogs are not sources.
  • What blogs?
• Franconia, I quote your phrase "was admitted to the NF on June 1, 2013," was primarily a member of ConIFA.
  • A member of CONIFA for most of it's life, but also a member of the N.F.-Board.^[29]
• NF-EUROPE and NF-AFRICA, there is nothing.
  • First off, it's NFB-EUROPE and NFB-AFRICA. Second off, NFB-EUROPE exists for sure. I'd know because it has multiple records of it's existance.^[35][36] Can't say the same for NFB-AFRICA however, as there is only one this time: The Facebook page of Babou Eric, the director of NFB-AFRICA.^[37] And also the leadership list of the NFB.^[38]

• Also, please tell me, what is your definition of "correct"?

Response to your list of references

• • I don't even know what revision we're trying to work with here. I'll try 1306391182
  • [2], [3], and [4] were for proving the fact that the unofficial names are used, therefore it makes sense here. Just because it's YouTube or Facebook or Twitter or a forum, does not mean that it is absolutely incorrect.
  • [5] (Location: ) is to give a source for the NFB saying that any expansions, other than "New Football Federations-Board" were wrong.
  • [6] (Location: ) is used for giving a date of foundation. Also I now notice that by "archive" you mean archived webpages/things, and not an archive of old documents.
  • [7] (Location: ) is for: "One of the founders was Luc Misson, a lawyer who represented Belgian footballer Jean-Marc Bosman in a case that led to the Bosman ruling."
  • [8] is for: "The N.F.-Board was founded on 12 December 2003 by the World Football Observatory (French: Observatoire Mondial des Footballs[d]; OMF) in À la Mort Subite, a bar in Brussels,"
  • and [9] is for the following part: "consisting of 5 members: Northern Cyprus, Sápmi, Monaco, Western Sahara, and the Chagos Islands".
  • Refs [10], [11], [12], and [13] do not say the exact same thing. They give different details. Such as the potential and applied members.

  When the NFB was founded, a deadline was set for applications: 15 January 2004. However, at some point, it was postponed to May, and the candidate member list ballooned to 76 members.[10] This list included the Falkland Islands, Greenland, Tibet, Guadelope, Jersey, Vatican City, Corsica, Brittany, and Catalonia.[11][12]
  Many more members came to apply soon after the founding. The first known four to apply were Greenland, Tibet, and possibly Jersey,[10]13] and Guernsey.[13]
  At first, the N.F.-Board had planned to host their first event, the VIVA World Cup, in 2005.[13] However, due to a lack of budget at the time, it was postponed to 2006.[14]

  • I didn't add [15] (Location: ), but also it is Archived 2019-12-05 at the Wayback Machine. Looks like you made the same mistake I made on File talk:Flag of Japan.svg.
  • [18] is for:

    In 2010, the Monaco Football Association left the N.F.-Board. The captain of the selection at the time, Yohan Garino, explains: "For political reasons, we are not authorized by our government to play against certain teams. We also had some problems with the NF-Board which used photos of the Monaco Football Association and Prince Albert as advertising for their many matches without authorization. We were particularly disappointed by this last point which is very detrimental to us".[18]

  Notice something? That's the ONLY reference in the entire section.

  • [19]... this allows for better verification, no? Why exclude it here?
  • [14]: This is the information page for the VIVA World Cup, posted by the N.F.-Board. Right now, it's the only place where I can find a reason as to why the 2005 VIVA WC was postposed to 2006.
  • [21] is just a duplicate ref of [6]; but much better. Makes sense to replace 6 with 21.
  • [24] (Locations: a, b, c.): See WP:FACEBOOK
  • [31]: It's La Montagne.
  • [32]: See WP:SELFSOURCE
  • [33]:

    On 20 June 2023, the N.F.-Board moved their headquarters from Liège to Saint-Christophe-et-le-Laris.[33]

    Again, it's the only one here.
  • [34]: Here for better verification and extra research
  • [35]: France Bleu
  • Refs 36–38:

    On 20 April 2025, the N.F.-Board said on their Facebook post about the MVWC that they "only play 11 at the moment"^{[clarification needed]} and that it was just an idea.[36]
    As of July 2025 the N.F.-Board has yet again gone silent on the topic of the 2025 MVWC, and no news has came out about it since its announcement; possibly because the event may have been cancelled.^{[speculation?]}
    On 18 January 2025, they, once again, announced 2 new VIVA World Cups for 2026 and 2028, saying the 2026 VIVA World Cup would also be restricted to non-FIFA UN countries, 2028, to the non-FIFA islands and archipelagos. But, they refused to disclose more detail about the two new VIVA World Cups beyond that.[37][38]

  • [39]: "2013 Women's Viva World Cup in Tifariti, Western Sahara[39]"
  • [40] (Location: ): It's just CONIFA. I wonder what your opinion of using this source to verify them being in the NFB, is? Will that be enough?
  • [41] (Location: ): Used for verifying the existance of Himalaya's football team.
  • [42] (Location: ): Used to verify the existance of FA Labaj.
  • [44] (Location: ): Do I really need to explain?
  • [45] (Location: ): It's just Sudinfo.
  • [47] (Locations: a, b, c, d): The 1st UNPO Cup? That article is to verify the teams even exist, that they have played some game(s). The UNPO Cup was said to be a partnetship between the UNPO and the NFB. Maybe we should get a different source that says that it's part of the NFB? The NFB Tribune (February—March 2011) could work; it shows the Chechnya FA's president, as well as David Aranda, together.
  • [48] (Location: ): Verification of FAIO's existance
  • [55], [56] (Locations: , ): Fedefutbol seemed to be cooperating with the NF-Board.^[19] (More refs may come later on)
  • [57]: Once again, this is to verify this FA's (this time, FA Peule/Fulani) existance.
  • [63] (Location: ): Once again, more verification of this FA's existance.
  • [64] (Location: ): This seems to be broken because of the death of flash; and how the Wayback Machine archives pages. archive.today archived the URL successfully. Also, I don't see a policy stating sources must not be short-lived even if it was short-lived as you say.
  • [26], [27], [28], [29], [30], [32], [33], [34], [36], [37], [38], [39], [41], [59], [63], [65], [68], [71] [78], [80], [86]: See WP:SELFSOURCE, just because it's from the NF-Board/on Facebook/Twitter/YouTube doesn't mean it's a bad source to use.
  • [79]: It's the CENF's official website. See WP:SELFSOURCE and WP:ABOUTSELF.
  • For every Facebook citation ([2-A], [24], [32], [36], [37], [38], [42], [45], [63], [82]), see WP:FACEBOOK.
  • For every YouTube citation ([43], [61]), see WP:RSPYT.
  • For every general citation from the member FAs or the NF-Board, see WP:SELFSOURCE and WP:ABOUTSELF.
  • Oh, and by the way, I have no idea what source you meant to talk about when you said "52/ This source has already been posted, why post it a second time?".and "66/ An illegible archive; there are articles in Swedish..."? please tell me.

  Also please tell me if there is something wrong with this reply. Once pointed out I'll try to address it. --Thanks, kxeon  talk 18:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

• YouTube pages, blogs, Facebook pages, Instagram, and websites, yes, these are not sources. No, they cannot be used as sources.
• I've already told you what a good source is: they're mainly newspapers; you need proof. You don't need 86 sources, you need decent sources, I prefer to see 30 sources = quality and sustainable newspapers.
• The CSANF/COSANFF federation, its representatives, and its competitions have absolutely nothing to do with the NF-Board. The CSANF/COSANFF federation is an independent organization that works with ConIFA. Both ConIFA and FIFA have a "South America" zone; the CSANF/COSANFF federation is not part of ConIFA, just as it has never been part of the NF-Board. You should remove CSANF/COSANFF, or even create a new Wikipedia article on CSANF/COSANFF.
• I'm not going to do your job.
• The NF-Board article currently looks like nothing with things that have no place there.
• The leadership section: the treasurer, Department of Art, delegates, Media Relations Director, National Associations Director, Contact Director, they have no place there.
• Also, take inspiration from FIFA to create something clean. The logo and the flag need to be separated. Leave the logo where it is, the flag in an identity section.
• A section for president, vice president, nothing more. Below that, a Controversy section.
• The N.F.-Board World Ranking section needs to be removed, especially 18 years later...
• Regarding this article [], which is correct. It says the Vatican. You should know that the Vatican will never be a member of any FIFA, UEFA, NF-Board, or other organization, nor any competition. It's in their profile. Monaco will never return to the NF-Board. Easter Island is a member of CoNIFA.
• I'll make one thing clear to you:

If I were to create a blog tomorrow, on this blog I say the Kingdom of Kxeon and the People's Republic of Disneyland have been members of the NF-Board since 2025. So for you, it's a source, so they are members of the NF-Board. We agree? Now you understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:1D9:1B70:FCFF:C7C2:28FE:6B38 (talk) 21:21, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

• First off, WP:YOUTUBE. Again. And also WP:SOCIALMEDIA. They can be sources here.
• Second off, my source for this isn't just the blogs? My main source is the N.F.-Board's listing. With that baseline, I continue and figure out who's really part of it and who's not, using other sources. This hypothetical micronation wouldn't work with this situation because the N.F.-Board does not list it. Also, this discussion has led be to learn of the existence of newsblogs, which is what World Cups and Beyond fits into.
  But I didn't even cite that blog once. I just assumed that was what you meant because I found that on the page; and there were no other blogs I cited... what counts as a blog to you? Facebook?
• Also, you say:

  "The CSANF/COSANFF federation, its representatives, and its competitions have absolutely nothing to do with the NF-Board. The CSANF/COSANFF federation is an independent organization that works with ConIFA. Both ConIFA and FIFA have a "South America" zone; the CSANF/COSANFF federation is not part of ConIFA, just as it has never been part of the NF-Board."

  which is terribly wrong.^[31][39] What sources do you use? Seriously, what? With misinformation this egregious, will this discussion get anywhere? I sure hope so. Also, the CSANF and CENF articles were deleted.^[40] So I decided to go ahead and put all three continental confederations: CSANF, CENF and NAANF/NFNAAC, into the article about the N.F.-Board, as they all were continental confederations of the N.F.-Board. I am barred from making seperate articles for the COSANFF and the CENF; lest it just be deleted again for the exact same reasons as last time.
• Also, I never said the Vatican is a part of the N.F.-Board, only that they were a candidate member in the early days of it! (Also, the "profile" you are referring to... you didnt specify which profile.)
• Also, if you want to have a source from a newspaper, here you go. Settles both Casamance and Rapa Nui.^[41] The only problem is this also says Vatican City is part of the N.F.-Board when it's not. But it's a "correct" source, no?
• And finally, I tried to somewhat base this off of CONIFA. It can be based off of FIFA instead if need be, although it seemed fine as is. kxeon  talk 22:18, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

  Hi @Kxeon. Without looking in detail each citation, your assertion "My main source is the N.F.-Board" does not appears appropriate to me for a wikipedia notice. Especially as long as someone suggests that this source may not be neutral (it is or not is not the point - we're not journalists and using secondary sources allows us to avoid doing this judgement ourselves). We're trying to build an encyclopaedia, not a copy of the official website.

  In the same way, if a user asks you to remove content that can only be asserted by a social network citation, it's probably better to follow this advice.

  Using the official website of the organisation as citation for an entire article section does not appear to follow the recommendation "Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them." of WP:PSTS.

  Both of you could probably write an awesome wikipedia page on this subject if you agree to only use references that are journalistic and neutral. Also, keep talking in this talk page. Part of the article looks already great in this point, you're in the good way! Thanks, Framawiki (please notify me when you reply) 22:49, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

• Framawiki is absolutely right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:1D9:1B70:FCFF:C7C2:28FE:6B38 (talk) 23:20, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
• @Framawiki: I'm not trying to end up making a mirror page of the official N.F.-Board website or have Wikipedia become a megaphone for the N.F.-Board's voice. Sometimes, however, the N.F.-Board's official stuff, and primary sources in general, work for the job pretty well, when nobody else covers the topic. Despite this, is 18 primaries to 6 secondaries (3:1) alright for a members list? Is it alright to use one singular primary source for an entire small section, which talks about an administrative change in a system?
• Also, do WP:YOUTUBE-EL, WP:FACEBOOK, or WP:SELFSOURCE actually apply here, or not? To me, it looks like they do. Just in case though you could be asked too.
• This part is collapsed, as the WP:OTHERCONTENT referenced below may not be major enough. This collapsed part is comparing other articles' member lists, specifically their references, to the N.F.-Board's, and then assumes precedent based on the comparisons.

  Also, there are a few other articles that do seemingly similar things to this:

  The Confederation of Independent Football Associations uses 1 source for the base of their list and 6 more for the individual members, of which only three: standardobservers.com [Biafra], themidwestgame.substack.com [Kuskatan] and hamptonthink.org [Aymara] are secondary; the rest are primary links to CONIFA's website (Girl Power FA Afghanistan, Pakistan All-Stars, Armenian-Argentine Community).

  CONCACAF uses 1 source for their member list, which is primary. (CONCACAF's website).

  The UEFA#Members article doesn't place a source for their members list. Presumably, it's The UEFA's own website, which is also primary. (or is that an unjust comparison?)

  World Unity Football Alliance also does not explicitly say it's base citation for it's member list. This time, however, the official website doesn't line up with the actual list on Wikipedia. What it does cite however is International Surrey Football, the Karen Football Association, and the California Football Association. All primary. (or is this an unfair comparison too, as they have a questionable member on their members list of their own?)

  The N.F.-Board member list cites 24 sources, with only 6 being secondary (-2/1 if you do not count Fedefutbol as secondary, -1 if you do not count Cascadia Underground, -1 if not Tibet Post.): Cascadia Underground, Sermitsiaq (for Greenland), The Tibet Post International, Fedefutbol (for Casamance; for Maasai), and VICE (for the Chagos Islands). The rest are primary.

  So it seems, for the member lists, it may be precedent to base off of a primary source (such as the official website) and then branch out with other sources, or only use primary sources?

--Thanks, kxeon  talk 02:06, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

• Kxeon, you can't base your findings on the NF-Board's writings, you know that very well, there's a perfect example:

"In 2017, Paul Watson stated in an interview with These Football Times magazine, "When he started out alongside his friend Matt Conrad, Watson had the opportunity to join the New Federation-Board (NF-Board). The NF-Board was an organization that represented non-FIFA members and offered them the opportunity to participate in their own version of the official World Cup. It also had the appeal of being a support group for second-tier nations and outsiders. However, after discovering that the NF-Board had not offered him any financial assistance during his time as head coach, Watson decided not to fill out the registration forms, alarmist rumors also played a role in this decision. At the time I was in Pohnpei, the only non-FIFA organization was the NF-Board. Although they had organized some very impressive World Cups, the VIVA World Cup for non-FIFA teams, by the time I was in Pohnpei, they had become less active and their communications were not very convincing. They seemed to want Pohnpei on their list for the sake of listing them, so we never joined. Despite this, the NF-Board continues to list Pohnpei (State) and Yap (State), although no one on the island has ever spoken to them.^[42] · ^[43] · ^[44] · ^[45] · ^[46]."

• As you can see, the NF-Board at the time added Pohnpei (State) and Yap (State) to their membership list. However, in reality, Paul Watson is very clear on the subject. He says, "They seemed to want Pohnpei on their list for the sake of adding them, so we never joined. Despite this, the NF-Board continues to list Pohnpei and Yap, even though no one on the island has ever spoken to them."
• So don't trust the NF-Board 100%; you have to be critical.
• Today, everyone understands that some of the members weren't even aware they were members of the NF-Board; they were added by the NF-Board leadership. You can't deny that. Some of its members, there is no source that proves that they exist or that they were part of the NF-Board, except that only the NF-Board says so.
• Kxeon, for the moment, only focus on the English version of the NF-Board, don't run with two hares at once. Focus on the one you have prioritized from the start, otherwise your work will take too long, currently you need to find sources as Framawiki was able to say. Forget the other versions in French and German for now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:1D9:1B70:FCFF:C7C2:28FE:6B38 (talk) 10:54, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

• But that's what I'm doing, is it not? I said I base my list off of the N.F.-Board's one, and then I use extra sources to find who's a member and who's not. (Exact wording: My main source is the N.F.-Board's listing. With that baseline, I continue and figure out who's really part of it and who's not, using other sources.) By this point I may have more reason to suspect cherrypicking given how much you have missed, but benefit of the doubt should still be given for now. After all, you also missed the fact that my comment on 04:48, 19 August 2025 said that you had wrong citations for your "These Football Times" quote, (Play Up Pohnpei (SkySports)Play up Pohnpei, world's worst football nation (MyLondon), and Pair's hopes for football minnows (BBC) don't say what you say they do here, nor act as support for your quote from These Football Times). Thus I also have good reason to suspect that either your translation service isn't the most accurate one (it happens...) or you simply aren't reading some of the things that I say and/or link to. kxeon  talk 13:24, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
• And also, Up Pohnpei (Pages 66—71) says that Steve Menary warned Paul Watson against joining the N.F.-Board, because it might make FIFA mad, as it could be seen as an act of resistance, and he also said that it might set Micronesia back in football long-term. So he tore the paper up. That seems to be what These Football Times meant by "scaremongering rumours also played their part in the move". It also appears to depict the second reason; being there being no financial assistance. kxeon  talk 15:30, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
• Oh, btw, when I was searching for the exact date of which David Aranda became president of the NFB, I found Kiribati's application to the NFB (In 2005: Applied on 18 November, joined on 10 December). However, NikauTokelau said that contacting the president got him to say that "they never tried to join the NFB". Strange, isn't it? kxeon  talk 14:33, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

• Currently, I'll be honest with you, no. Some of the NF-Board's sources are more than questionable, and the sources you added aren't good sources (instagram, blogs, nf board....).
• By the way, stop putting 53 members on the NF-Board (French Wikipedia). We need to base it on now, which means 0 members in 2025. However, as I said before, "We also need to prove that there were 50 members between 2003 and 2013. We now know that some teams were added by the NF-Board, even though they had no contact with it. There are members whose existence is unproven, and there are no sources."
• You show a BBC article from 2009 and SkySports in 2012, besides, his articles don't say much other than their travel and passion. Look at what Paul Watson says in 2017.

• Kxeon, for the moment, only focus on the English version of the NF-Board, don't run with two hares at once. Focus on the one you have prioritized from the start, otherwise your work will take too long, currently you need to find sources as Framawiki was able to say. Forget the other versions in French and German for now.

• Your sources provide absolutely no evidence at this time. Please stop using Facebook, it's not a source and the paper is rather strange.

• Members who were part of the NF-Board (21):

Kurdistan, Occitania, Provence, Padania, Lapland, Gozo, Tamil Eelam, Zanzibar, the Two Sicilies*, Monaco*, Northern Cyprus*, the Arameans, Western Sahara, Rhaetia, Darfur, Tibet, Quebec*, Greenland*, Ambazonia, Roma, Sealand.

• "The members did not stay long*."
• The Samisk Football Federation (SSL) was founded on October 18, 2003, and dissolved in 2013 (a member of the NF-Board). In March 2014, the FA Sápmi (a member of ConIFA) replaced the Samisk Football Federation (SSL).

No sources, some do not exist:

• _Chagos Islands
• _Masai
• _Casamance
• _Peul
• _NFB-Africa
• _NFB-Europe
• _West Indies
• _Himalayas
• _Chechen Republic of Ichkeria
• _West Papua
• _Saugeais
• _Rijeka
• _Wallonia
• _Skaneland
• _Cilento
• _Labaj
• _Golden Islands
• _Rapa Nui
• _Cossack
• _Sardinia
• _Football Association of Stateless People
• _Tutmonda Esperanto Futbalo Association
• _Serboga

• Somaliland: Created in 2011, member of Conifa in 2014.
• Cascadie: Member of Conifa, however, Cascadie wanted to join the NF-Board in 2013, but the NF-Board disappeared in 2013 and Cascadia joined ConIFA in 2014.
• Franconia: ConIFA member.
• Szeklerland: ConIFA member.

Never a member of the NF-Board:

• _Southern Lower Saxony
• _Yap
• _Ponphei
• _Gagauzia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:1D9:1B70:FCFF:C7C2:28FE:6B38 (talk) 15:15, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello, please just don't use the official website as citation - 18 primaries to 6 secondary (3:1) is definitively not a good ratio for a wikipedia page that tries to keep neutrality. If a fact is not present in an external source, it's probably not necessary to specify it in an encyclopaedic entry. If the member or the director list can't have any secondary citation, just don't add it here.

Feel free to create a distinct fanmade website if you want to write without any of these constraints, but we can't do that here. Thanks, Framawiki (please notify me when you reply) 22:13, 21 August 2025 (UTC)