Talk:Noel Park
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Plagiarism?
The content of this article appears to be copied unchanged from http://www.haringey.gov.uk/index/community_and_leisure/neighbourhoods/noelparkneighbourhood/historyofnoelpark.htm and so may be in breach of copyright. -Arb. (talk) 15:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oh crap, I didn't see this before editing the article. It appears you are right. In any case, it is less of a copyvio now, but may need to be rewritten from scratch when I can get my hands on some source material. At least the structure makes sense now... Brilliantine (talk) 00:16, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
- (Belatedly) rewritten… – iridescent 22:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks to all who have made this a brilliant article. I grew up in Wood Green 50-odd years ago and never knew half this stuff... this is what a great encyclopaedia should be like. seglea (talk) 23:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- I think this kind of article is what wikipedia is great at, and what drew me to the project in the first place. It's very easy to find quality information on "important" topics like evolution, for instance, but not nearly so easy to find out about the history of the place you were born in, or live in. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks to all who have made this a brilliant article. I grew up in Wood Green 50-odd years ago and never knew half this stuff... this is what a great encyclopaedia should be like. seglea (talk) 23:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- (Belatedly) rewritten… – iridescent 22:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Comments
- From the lead: "It was one of the earliest garden suburbs in the world". It's as well to provide citations for extraordinary claims like that, even in the lead, where I don't normally like to see citations. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- I can cite it easily enough – it's a claim that pops up fairly often – if you really think it's necessary. I was hoping to avoid it as I really dislike citations in leads. My thinking was that it wasn't necessary – the traditional start of garden-city construction comes with the publication of Looking Backward in 1888, or Ebenezer Howard's Garden Cities of To-morrow in 1899, depending on who you listen to, both of which post-date the construction of Noel Park. The first garden suburb is generally held to be Bedford Park, built in 1877; Noel Park was built six years later. – iridescent 23:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- It's not important, and I share your view about citations in the lead. I guess I may be still in shock after being asked for a citation to prove that the von Neumann computer architecture was widely attributed to von Neumann. Not that I'm bitter or anything you understand. :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum 00:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- I can cite it easily enough – it's a claim that pops up fairly often – if you really think it's necessary. I was hoping to avoid it as I really dislike citations in leads. My thinking was that it wasn't necessary – the traditional start of garden-city construction comes with the publication of Looking Backward in 1888, or Ebenezer Howard's Garden Cities of To-morrow in 1899, depending on who you listen to, both of which post-date the construction of Noel Park. The first garden suburb is generally held to be Bedford Park, built in 1877; Noel Park was built six years later. – iridescent 23:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- "It was planned from the outset as a self-contained community built near enough to the rail network to allow inhabitants to commute to work, with all properties having both front and rear gardens." How does the easy commuting tie in with the front and back gardens? --Malleus Fatuorum 23:26, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Fixed. This is what comes of treating the lead section the way I do, as a stewpot into which scraps of the body text are thrown as they're written. – iridescent 23:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- I was about to say that the lead is supposed to be an overview of the article, better written after the article is oherwise finished, but then I realised that you know that anyway. I said it anyway though, for the benefit of others less experienced than you. --Malleus Fatuorum 01:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- I generally do it the other way (at least, for something like this that's not being done in mainspace where it has to look readable) – I throw scraps into it as the body text takes shape, then cull what's in there down to a reasonable size. I was sorely tempted to have "Noel Park was founded by a former scarecrow and Charles Darwin" as the opening sentence. – iridescent 01:11, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- I was about to say that the lead is supposed to be an overview of the article, better written after the article is oherwise finished, but then I realised that you know that anyway. I said it anyway though, for the benefit of others less experienced than you. --Malleus Fatuorum 01:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Fixed. This is what comes of treating the lead section the way I do, as a stewpot into which scraps of the body text are thrown as they're written. – iridescent 23:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
