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Names
There was actually no confusion in the colonial period between Second Church, (the true "Old North," where Revere hung his lanterns) and the Anglican Christ Church, Boston, which is never so called in the maps of the period, or in Revere's deposition.
The "sexton," to whom Revere gave the lanterns is never named as Robert Newman, and the standard punishment for a signal site was to reduce it for firewood.
Someday I'll get around to writing the article correcting this; it's one of the "three lies" of Boston. Dellaroux (talk) 22:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- Right on, Dellaroux, you're absolutely right. The question is how to handle it. Create a separate article for Old North Church (colonial period) or simply make the necessary corrections here. I have been wanting to do this as well, but I haven't thought of a good way of handling it. Can you? Pasquale (talk) 00:15, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
- Better line up your references well, folks. I call your attention to
- Robbins, Chandler (1852). A History of the Second Church, or Old North, in Boston. A Committee of the Society. p. 129.
- Which makes specific mention of both April 19, 1775 and the tearing down of the church, but no mention of lanterns in the steeple. It's hard to believe that the Minister in charge of the church, writing after the fact, would not have taken credit for his institution for such an important event.
- "'From the memorable 19th of April, 1775', writes Dr. Lathrop [the Minister] in our church records, 'the day on which the British troops began hostilities in America...'"
- "At this time, most of the churches in the town were broken up..."
- . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 12:15, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
- Better line up your references well, folks. I call your attention to
Clock?
Did the tower originally have a clock? The old illustration in the article shows what appears to be a clock. --76.115.67.114 (talk) 09:55, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
GA review
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
- This review is transcluded from Talk:Old North Church/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Epicgenius (talk · contribs) 01:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Reviewer: TheVoicelessWriter (talk · contribs) 15:50, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
Hello! I will review this article as part of the GA Drive. TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 15:50, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
Criteria
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Review
Criteria analysis
- Well-written:
- No issues with the prose
- Minor grammar issues fixed
- No issues in lead section
- MOS:REALTIME issues fixed
- Minor formatting issues fixed
- Properly follows layout guidelines
- Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
- Broad in its coverage:
- Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
- Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
- Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
- Some images were relocated to a more appropriate location.
- Some captions were edited to fix MOS:REALTIME issues.
- The rest have no issues.
| Criteria | Notes | Result |
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| (a) (prose) |
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Pass |
| (b) (MoS) |
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Pass |
| Criteria | Notes | Result |
|---|---|---|
| (a) (references) | There is a list of properly cited sources. | Pass |
| (b) (citations to reliable sources) | All cited sources are reliable | Pass |
| (c) (original research) | Did not find any issues during source spot check | Pass |
| (d) (copyvio and plagiarism) | The copyvio detector detected a possible violation but upon checking, the majority were unavoidable false positives (cannot be paraphrased). | Pass |
| Criteria | Notes | Result |
|---|---|---|
| (a) (major aspects) | All major aspects regarding the church is discussed in the article. | Pass |
| (b) (focused) | All details are relevant to the church. | Pass |
| Notes | Result |
|---|---|
| The article is written in a neutral manner. | Pass |
| Comment | Result |
|---|---|
| No ongoing edit war | Pass |
| Criteria | Notes | Result |
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| (a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales) | All images are free and properly tagged. | Pass |
| (b) (appropriate use with suitable captions) |
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Pass |
Source spot check
- 4. (a)
(b) (c) (d) (e) (f) - 5.
- 39. (a) (b) (c) (d) (e) (f)
- 42. (a) (b)
- 67. (a) (b)
- 68. (a) (b)
- 298.
- 312. (a) (b)
- 341.
- 409.
Result
| Result | Notes |
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| Pass | The article completely meets the criteria of a good article. |
Discussion
Lead section
- No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 14:11, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
Site
- No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 18:02, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
History
- "18th century"
- Lead: Minor grammar issues fixed, MOS:REALTIME issue fixed TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 18:06, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Development": Minor grammar and punctuation use issues fixed TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 18:21, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Late 1720s to early 1770s": Minor grammar issues fixed TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 18:40, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
- "American Revolution": Improved clarity TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 18:49, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Post-American Revolution": No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 18:50, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
- "19th Century"
- "1800s to 1850s": No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 19:07, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
- "1860s to 1890s": Relocated image TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 19:13, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
- "20th Century"
- "1900s and 1910s": Relocated image TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 19:24, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
- "1920s to mid-1950s": Minor grammar issues fixed TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 12:58, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Late 1950s to 1990s": No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 13:04, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "21st Century"
- No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 13:06, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
Architecture
- Lead
- Minor grammar issues fixed TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 13:10, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Exterior"
- Lead: No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 13:11, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Facade": Relocated image of the main entrance TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 13:14, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Bells": Improved table TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 13:28, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Steeples": MOS:REALTIME issues fixed TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 13:39, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Interior"
- Lead: No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 13:40, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Nave": MOS:REALTIME issue fixed TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 13:46, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Crypt": No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 13:54, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
Related buildings
- "Salem Street houses": No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 13:50, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Gift shop (former chapel)": No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 13:51, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Clough House": No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 13:52, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
Operations
- Lead
- No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 13:52, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Congregation"
- Lead: No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 13:55, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Rectors and vicars": No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 13:57, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Worshippers and speakers": No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 14:01, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Ties to slavery": No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 14:02, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Old North Illuminated"
- No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 14:03, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
Impact and legacy
- "Reception": Minor grammar and formatting issues fixed TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 14:06, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
- "Landmark designations and media": No issues TheVoicelessWriter (talk) 14:07, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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