Talk:Origin of speech

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Phonemic diversity

The recent studies of phonemic diversity as evidence of human migration history aren't worth the paper they are printed on, as any historical linguist would tell you. They are published by non-linguists who don't understand what phonemes are or how language change works, but merely assume that it is the same as genetic change. However phonemes are theoretical abstractions and depend on the interpretation of a linguist and the particular theopretical framework she uses - so a single language may be analyzed as having 25 phonemes or 85 depending on the chosen analysis (for example; several languages in Mesoamerica have this type of analytical questions). Second phonemes are not necessarily inherited but are frequently laterally transmitted between populations leaving no trace behind of the original configuration (unlike genes). Linguists like Levinson, Evans, Bowern and many others have refuted these bogus studies but so-called scientists refuse to listen to actual experts in the area they are studying and keep publishing new just-so stories like the recent Perreault and Mathews paper and Atkinsons earlier paper making the same claims. This article should not describe those studies as presenting fact, because they don't. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 22:26, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Somewhere along the path from apes to humans, the addition of a new gene to the genome allowed a transiently activatable surface on the pharyngeal wall to form speech sounds. There is a place for each voiced sound, all together they form the pronunciation nest of a particular language. Voiceless consonants make words easier to understand and increase their number. It was now possible to put an idea into the combination of sounds that the whole human herd understood in the same way.
The monkey's pharyngeal wall has no activatable surface. The shortest: The dumb person and the monkey do not speak because they have no speech sounds.
Leonhard Klaar 212.53.117.118 (talk) 01:16, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
Actually, a chimp can produce a wide enough range of sounds that it would have all the phonemes it needed to speak, if only it had the cognative abilities. It wouldn't sound like a human language, it wouldn't be English, but there are enough speech sounds to let it be as complex as English. It's a mistake to think that speech presupposes the full evolution of the speech organs. Rather, the reverse is true: the way evolution works requires that people began to speak first, and the evolutionary advantages that speech brought would then drive the optimization of the speech organs. Doric Loon (talk) 17:40, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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