Talk:Overkill (band)

Did the guys ever officially confirm that their logo (at least the "O" in the logo) is based upon the Iron Maiden logo? I don't think this is pure coincidence.--80.133.223.142 16:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

In a documentary called Born In The Basement former Overkill drummer Rat Skates states that he designed the band logo and the letter "O" was borrowed from Iron Maiden logo.^[1] Sabbatino (talk) 09:58, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm wondering, how many albums have Overkill sold worldwide? And how many albums have Overkill sold for each album?{{subst:image source|Image:1401.jpg)) Betacommand ^{(talk • contribs • Bot)} 00:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC) {{missing rationale|Image:1401.jpg

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I've re-uploaded the logo and a shot of the band. Someone needs to come in and fix this article as much as possible! --LuvataciousSkull 16:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

There are only 14 studio albums? why does it say 15?....unless I don't know that percific one, I got all their albums and their is only 14. METALFREAK04 12:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

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My citations include Decibel Magazine, a major heavy metal magazine. To the last dickhead that undid my post, SUCK FUCKING DICK. What is wrong with you? Are you a fucking moron? Did you not read the edits before you just changed them? Fucking tool. 70.157.67.202 (talk) 09:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Please mind your language and be civil. Using that kind of language leads to blocking. I don't really care about the issue, you may be right or wrong, but being civil is a part of wikipedia. I agree that whoever removed your post should not have done so (unless it was very offensive). Anyways, after reading this I thought to myself that I've never heard anything by Overkill that could even be remotely described as groove metal, but then I haven't listened to everything by them, so they may have made a groove metal album or something at some point and maybe that's what you're referring to. Blizzard Beast ^$ODIN$ 18:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I seemed rude in any way. It just seems that people go about reverting edits without taking into account verifiable citations and its very disheartening, disgusting, and seems to be uncivil and rude. The majority of their albums from the 90's on up were clearly groove. from the 80's back it was mostly thrash, and judging from the latest album, is more thrash oriented. But the majority of their albums in the 90's was more of a groove direction. Possibly due to lineup changes and also probably due to the fact that the original members (they themself admitted) being into hardcore (as their original band before Overkill was in a more punk direction) Clearly anybody who heard the entire library of Overkill could easily see. Also as I've said I have put a very good citation up on it. Its not that I'm biased towards this subject, its just that I'm well versed in it and get offended when people think rock-solid citations are all fluff. Decibel Magazine is about the equivalent to Kerrang, Revolver, et cetera as far as Heavy Metal magazines go. So for people to revert my posts due to their bias towards thinking "groove metal doesn't exist" seems very very biased as the genre is very well cited as a sub genre of thrash. It just seems like a lot of metalheads who are into thrash hate anything that refers to anything branching out from thrash because they (in their own bias) think of groove metal as a made up term or something that is coined when in FACT it is NOT a neologism and has been in use since at least 1990/1991. But I appreciate your support, and I do see your point on reverting it to get rid of the edit wars, at least you kept it in the body of the article, so thumbs up, and sorry if I seemed hostile. But in my view the majority of their material for basically a whole decade (give or take a few years) was groove metal. 70.157.67.37 (talk) 05:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I checked your referance and you were right. Sorry about the reverts, but it helps if you use the citation templates, so people can click on it and see the referance at the bottom.Johan Rachmaninov (talk) 02:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Nobody really gives a damn which you use, please come to a consensus and stop bickering over asinine stuff, because edit wars piss me off. Thanks. DarrelClemmons (talk) 11:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Lol, well said. Well as long as both are accepted there will be no end to the wars. One genre delimiter must be decided on to stop the wars. I don't like taking part in them either. Messy. But I agree. If people keep edit warring on here we'll take a vote or something and reach a consensus. That was what was decided at WP:METAL and that is the OFFICIAL consensus. A vote or talk between the warrers until a conclusion is reached. I must note, though, that the consensus for any metal band article that has a high number of genres (such as this page) has generally been to use line breaks as it looks a lot less fucked up. Blizzard Beast ^$ODIN$ 18:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

This doesn't need to be stated as "reportedly", you can find it on YouTube. It was also apparently aired on "Virus" (the video is watermarked). Perhaps someone knows what network "Virus" is on. I am new to Wiki, so I won't attempt to edit - just pass the info to a veteran... Wmfarrell (talk) 18:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

In summer 1997, the band released !!!Fuck You!!! and Then Some. The album included the !!!Fuck You!!! EP, which had been out of print for some years, along with the classic Overkill EP and two live tracks from a 1990 promo single. October of the same year saw the release of the ninth Overkill studio album, titled From The Underground And Below. This record retained some of the modern influences from The Killing Kind, while also reincorporating elements from the band's earlier efforts. Some songs on From The Underground And Below, including "Save Me", even had a slight industrial metal sound to them. Reportedly a video for the track "Long Time Dyin'" was shot, but due to the non-existence of metal in the mainstream media at the time, it is unlikely that the video has ever aired on television. Again Overkill opted to only tour Europe in support of the album, which took place in May 1998, with Nevermore, Angel Dust and Nocturnal Rites.

This information is incorrect. I don't know how extensively Overkill toured elsewhere for "From The Underground And Below" but, they DID have a U.S. tour. I know this because I was at their Sunday April 5th, 1998 show @ The el Mocambo in Toronto that was in support of this album. Opening acts in Toronto (according to my ticket stub and newspaper ad) were "JAWW" and "M-69".

As per the back of my concert t-shirt, the U.S. tour ("It Lives") included the following stops: Albany, Cohoes, Elmira, Rochester, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Columbus, Cleveland, Flint, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis, St. Louis, Lincoln, Lawrence, Boise, Denver, Salt Lake City, Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Fresno, Anaheim, Los Angeles, Reno, Phoenix, Albuquerque, Lubbock, Dallas, Austin, Houston, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Orlando, Fort Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Atlanta, Charleston, Raleigh, Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Baltimore, Washington, Boston, Providence, New York, New Jersey, Hartford, Toronto, Montreal, Philadelphia.

Ogre21 (talk) 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)Ogre21

Ditto that. The Chicago date was actually at a club called Jackhammer's in Schaumburg, which doesn't exist anymore. I sat on the tour bus and interviewed Blitz for my college radio station between shows (they played 2 that night) during a spring-time blizzard. I want to say it was March or April in 1998. 209.254.200.110 (talk) 16:58, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

This page is a mess. It's full of opinionated editorializing and informal language that makes it read more like a fan page than an encyclopedia entry. For example, it's okay to indicate an album's perceived quality, but this must include links to more than one album review, and for heaven's sake, terms like "thrash-terpiece" do NOT belong on a serious neutral encyclopedia page. Granted, I'm not saying I could do better, but I think content creators need to reevaluate the tone and scholarship of this page. Heisenplanck (talk) 06:21, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

I have no idea where that IMDb link came from... Heisenplanck (talk) 06:23, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Where are their certifications or high chart positions for that huge number? In any country? For example, Cannibal Corpse have similar SoundScan numbers, and they sold just about 2 million worldwide. Where are Overkill so popular beyond the United States? In Europe? For another example, Nightwish have massive sales throughout the Europe, they have tens of gold certificates in many European countries - and still, they have sold maximum 9 million copies worldwide. Please, don't make wiki page a die-hard fan club. There: http://lesliesmetal-page.blogspot.ru/2010/11/over-kill-bobby-gustafson.html - Bobby Gustafson speaks frankly about one of those fanboy myths. "What album?? We never sold 2 million of anything. By itself or combined."

You call everyone fanboys, but you still fail to produce a reliable source. How about stop it right there and actually search for sources if you are so concerned? A source from a blog is not reliable and it does not meany anything that a former member of the band said it. We need a source which gives numbers and not someone's opinion. – Sabbatino (talk) 06:38, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

And your source is no more than just another opinion, someone's unproved speculation. Ask you once again: in which countries those millions were sold? Where are their sertifications or chart positions? Even Metallica sells in the U.S. more than half of their numbers, so how can Overkill's worldwide sales be 20 times better than in their native country? It's an American thrash band, not European power metal or disco. And I am not so concerned, I'm simply interested in statistics.

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I put a 'Unrefereced section' tag in the Post-Atlantic Years section. See edit. In addition to this I put some Citation needed templates in places I feel should have citations and for guidance. Someone might find that it looks messy. I obviously think they're helpful — might start looking for citations at a later point, it's nice to know what I should look for if I do — but I know that some people might not feel like me. If you don't I'll be willing to discuss it here. Either to argue for my point of view or to be persuaded to change it. - Kxxvii (talk) 21:35, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

The timeline section of this article seems bugged. The black bars on the graph are acting strange. Checked firefox and chrome and both have the same problem. Also confirmed that other pages aren't having this problem (Annihilator) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.94.60.138 (talk) 03:20, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

@24.94.60.138: Everything seems fine to me. I might have to refresh the page in order for it to show correctly. – Sabbatino (talk) 10:20, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sabbatino, I noted you have recently undone an edit to the Overkill (band) article. You state in your Edit Summary that "The longstanding consensus is not to list the members here if the band is active". I do not believe this to be correct. Based on personal experience of viewing and editing hundreds of band articles and, more importantly, based upon what Wikipedia states for the Infobox musical artist template. If one reads about each field, the "past_members" one in particular, it states they should be filled in if data exists and has nothing stating that with still-active bands this field should be kept empty.

Could you please point to any "longstanding consensus" discussions on Wikipedia that would have produced something counter to this policy? If they exist, it seems odd that WikiProject Musicians admins would have not added this new consensus policy to the infobox documentation. Regards. – ░▒▓ №∶72.234.220.38 (talk) 10:46, 26 June 2020 (UTC) ▓▒░

@72.234.220.38: There was a discussion about it somewhere, but I cannot look for it at this time, because I am away. I should also point out that the documentation can be edited by any registered user. Perhaps asking at Template talk:Infobox musical artist would be the best option since as I already told you – I am away. – Sabbatino (talk) 11:01, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sabbatino, okay, but you must know that edits to documentation are quickly reverted if they go counter to policy? As you did the initial revert, it really is up to you to make the case by providing documentation. Call it WP:RS for your policy/consensus claim. So, using that logic your revert will be undone as it reverted an AGF edit without fully documented reasoning. When you get back from being away please do follow up on this Talk page discussion.

If you do find this consensus policy someplace, I would request you first test it out on the Rolling Stones article which is one of a vast number containing the past members infobox field. See what the followers of that article will say and do to you when you change it. 😉 Regards. – ░▒▓ №∶72.234.220.38 (talk) 11:23, 26 June 2020 (UTC) ▓▒░

@72.234.220.38: You should not restore to your implied version until the discussion is over per WP:BRD so I restored the status quo version. In addition, there is no need to test something at some other page as you are implying (like The Rolling Stones page), because WP:OTHER is not a justification. I want to also add that if a band had many members in its existence then the former members are not listed until it disbands.

On a side note, are you editing logged out or are you a sockpuppet of some banned editor? Because IP editor cannot know that much about the policies/guidelines. – Sabbatino (talk) 12:15, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Hmmm Sabbatino, I thought you said you were "away"?

First, please, no wiki-insults, IP-based editors' article edits have been, from the start, considered as valid as those who choose to set up an account – in fact by our policy. Maybe one should assume an editor may know "that much about the policies/guidelines" due to the editing of Wikipedia articles for almost 15-years now? Perhaps they even helped with forming some of the early policy/guideline definitions? Not having an account is often a choice.

Now to the point, I re-did my edit as you stated you were "away". Hit-n-run editing is never cool, stay with the discussion until consensus is achieved, or just come back to it later. If you would have presented the documentation to back up your reasoning, it would have been no issue. You could always have presented it upon your "return".

As for WP:OTHER, it seems to be you using that reasoning by stating "longstanding consensus is not to list the members here if the band is active" which implies there are many other articles set up this way that justify your revert. I'm certain there are quite a few, but the majority? Not by my count. But using the WP:BRD criteria, and ignoring not following suggestions on dealing with reverting, I'm fine to let the status quo version stand and await the evidence you say will support your claim. Oh, and no need to try too much wikilawyering, this "lowly IP editor" has a degree in it. 😉 Regards. – ░▒▓ №∶72.234.220.38 (talk) 12:57, 26 June 2020 (UTC) ▓▒░

Darn, almost hate being correct, but looks like this was a hit-n-run edit (undo). Nothing new posted in this talk thread for weeks with the evidence that some later "there was a discussion about it somewhere" or "longstanding consensus is not to list the members here if the band is active" has superseded the MoS on musical artist infoboxes. Also, the reverting editor has newer edits so is back from being "away". Given this, will wait a day or so more, but if no evidence given, original infobox edit, as per MoS, will be restored. Regards. – ░▒▓ №∶72.234.220.38 (talk) 04:47, 9 July 2020 (UTC) ▓▒░

About the number of albums sold (again). If you look at the version of the Wikipedia article on August 21, 2017 (which was before the article from The Aquarian was written - September 27, 2017) you can conclude that Aquarian simply took the information from Wikipedia, therefore they cannot be considered a reliable source. Moreover, I don't know if we can consider the first source reliable, either (needs discussion). And I cannot find any information about 625,000 records in the U.S in first source (the second is not reliable, as we found out). HeadsOff (talk) 23:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

On the separate Discography page, Coverkill is categorized under Compilations...but this is probably incorrect.

The songs on Coverkill aren't from different time periods. It seems like they were all recorded around the same time, for the sole purpose of releasing the batch as a studio album; thus, Coverkill should be listed under Studio Albums, and as a result, listed under Discography here on the main page.

Other examples: Slayer's Undisputed Attitude, Billy Idol's Happy Holidays, Joan Jett's The Hit List, Guns N' Roses' The Spaghetti Incident?, Sponge's 1994, Between the Buried and Me's The Anatomy Of...notably though, Metallica's Garage Inc. is not included as a major release, although that's one of the few notable exceptions I've seen (due in part to its half-compilation/half-new status probably).

Also, it would align with the titles of Killbox 13 and ReliXIV (although the Overkill EP was mentioned as a possible explanation for that...but, I think trying to add Coverkill is more feasible than trying to add Overkill EP). Xanarki (talk) 01:38, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

@Xanarki: Songs for Coverkill were recorded in different years as can be seen in release's liner notes. Therefore, it is a compilation album. Overkill has released 20 studio albums, and adding Coverkill would be 21, which is factually incorrect. Meanwhile, Killbox 13 is the 12th studio album and ReliXIV is the 13th studio album. – sbaio 14:42, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, I just double checked the liner notes for Coverkill. Based on what I see, it's not a full-on compilation album.

There are 12 tracks on the disc.

7 were recorded specifically for Coverkill. But 2 were recorded just before Coverkill was conceived ("taken from the From the Underground and Below sessions" it says).

3 were recorded during much older albums.

And it seems that all but 1 song features the same exact band members.

I think it passes as a legit studio effort, since 75% consists of newer compositions. Coverkill could be considered their 11th album; thus, it would align with Killbox 13 as their 13th album + ReliXIV as their 14th album (which, those articles' main text already implies, it seems) + Immortalis as their 15th album. Also, Coverkill was reissued on vinyl in 2015 alongside Overkill's other studio albums.

However, after I wrote my original post, I saw that the band and the media walked back their statements over the past several years. At some point between 2010 and now, they no longer included Coverkill or the self-titled EP in their chronology, thus why their newest album is their "20th album" and so on. I guess that's how it'll be then, albeit with 3 awkward/mismatched album titles in their history. Xanarki (talk) 19:27, 4 November 2025 (UTC)