Talk:Rawalpindi Massacres

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AICC Quote

The reason I inserted the AICC quote instead of paraphrasing it is because Ian Talbot has it in full in all the works about the massacres that he has written. The quote is also reproduced by Ishtiaq Ahmed. They are two of this article’s major sources. UnpetitproleX (talk) 14:45, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

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@Kautilya3:, can I ask why you reverted my edits? I have seen WP:CITEVAR and I fail to see where I violated that as I didn't really change the article's established citation style, but made it consistent by formatting all refs into the Sfn template and adding the remaining sources into the 'Bibliography' heading. Rashidpour Rezanejad 11:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. WP:CITEVAR asks you not to change the article's citation style without discussion. This article uses sfn for books that need to be cited multiple times with particular page numbers, and <ref> for the rest. There is no need to change that.
I have also seen among your edits, misleading edit summaries, removing or moving sourced content, moving citations to new places without any explanation. Honestly, it wasn't clear to me what you were trying to do. But they were cetainly contentious, for example, removing the mention of dispalcements from the LEAD. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Here is where you removed displacements from the LEAD. Your edit summary was "corrections in infobox". Neither is removing "Muslim mobs" from the infobox a "correction". The article body makes it clear that there was mob violence. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:31, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
I also notice that you have been removing the quotations included in the citations, without any explanation whatsoever. The quotations may have been included for a variety of reasons, including possible contentiousness of the issues, the difficulty of accessing the sources, or perhaps for amplificaiton of an issue that the editor might have intended. It is not proper to remove them without sufficient explanation.
More generally, I also see a tendency on your part to treat Wikipedia as a private domain, where you can do whatever you please. You need to stop this. You are working on contentious topics where WP:CONSENSUS is a requirement. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:31, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
I switched to the sfn templates so that the entire article is consistent in citations. For some citations, there is sfns and for some <ref>, some containing quotes and some don't and that just doesn't look clean and tidy. I saw some Good Articles like Simla Deputation and was intrigued by their citation styling. I moved citations from the leads to the body per MOS:LEADCITE that states: "Because the lead usually repeats information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material." Since the information above is repeated, I moved redundant citations to the body. I only removed mention of dispalcements from the leads because I then thought they were excessive details, although I have relooked it now and I do believe they should be in the leads. I removed "Muslim mobs" because it thought the Muslim League National Guards carried out the massacres as I thought the organization itself counted as "Muslim mobs". I would be fine with re-adding this as well if you want. I edited assuming good faith, my main issue was with the inconsistent citation style because I want this to be a Good Article. Thanks! Rashidpour Rezanejad 01:36, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
@Kautilya3:, if you don't correspond, then I would be forced to revert back to my version. Rashidpour Rezanejad 09:42, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
You are not "forced" to do anything. In the first place, your ping didn't even work since you didn't sign the message. Secondly, you are making the same kind of edits on a whole range of pages and disputing every one of them separately, even though the issues are the same. You have been told about WP:CITEVAR. You have been told that you have moved citations and content out of the lead. You have also changed "Muslim League National Guards" to "Muslim National Guards" without explanation. You have changed the infobox field representing the attackers. You have removed quotations in the citations. You have done these kind of edits at a range of pages, all without any explanation or WP:CONSENSUS.
Finally, your explanations are wishy-washy. You quote WP:LEADCITE but it never says remove citations from the lead. You claim you want to make it a "Good Article", whereas you barely got here and you have been jumping from article to article without focusing on anything in depth. So, sorrry, your explanations don't convince any one. You need to STOP these kind of edits because they are not improving anything. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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