Talk:Russell Targ

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I'm wondering if the recent changes in nomenclature re SRI in the article are valid. The question is, when did the name of the Institute first get abbreviated to SRI? If it was after 1972, then it would be incorrect to say 'In 1972 Targ joined the Electronics and Bioengineering Laboratory at SRI'. Is there any reliable information about this? I can always ask Targ himself of course, as he would presumably know what the lab was called when he joined it. My own recollection, which may not be very reliable, was that the name by which it was known was changed from Stanford Research Institute to SRI International at the time it became separate from the university, which would make 1977 the year of the first usage of the term 'SRI'. --Brian Josephson (talk) 20:54, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

The use of SRI in the article is only meant to be a convenient abbreviation...appropriate in a loose sense to the institution throughout its separation from Stanford U (in 70 I believe) and later renaming as SRI International ('77 ?). Is this not splitting hairs? Juan Riley (talk) 21:10, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
And no, divestiture of SRI was much earlier than the renaming...during the Viet Nam war ahem.Juan Riley (talk) 21:15, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Targ has confirmed what I thought to be the case, writing 'My lab was Stanford Research Institute when I joined it in 1972, and stayed that way until 1977, when it became SRI International.'. I don't agree with your position, in that I don't think it appropriate for an encyclopedia to invent its own abbreviations, i.e. to describe something at a given time in a way that is different from how it was known at the time. Would you have abbreviated the name if the lab had never been known as SRI International? I think not. The usual way of dealing with this kind of issue is to give the full name the first time, and then shorten it with devices such as 'the Institute' later on where appropriate. --Brian Josephson (talk) 22:05, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
[An aside: SRI (by whatever name you wish to call it) was no longer associated with Stanford U when Targ joined it. And I did not make that an issue. You did.] Just a few questions: is MIT the official name of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology? Caltech that of California Instituye of Technology? Perhaps they have been officially adopted over the years. Whether or not they have, is there any ambiguity in introducing the acronyms to make an article more succinct? Juan Riley (talk) 22:17, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Look at the article on SRI International. It frequently uses the acronym SRI anachronistically in discussing the history of the institute before '77. Once again you are splitting hairs here. Juan Riley (talk) 22:29, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
I have just one last note on this issue relating to a quote from a 1996 article by Targ "Remote Viewing at Stanford Research Institute in the 1970s:A Memoir" (tis referenced in the Targ article): "Hundreds of remote viewing experiments were carried out at Stanford Research Institute (SRI) from 1972 to 1986." The acronym in the WP article has been used in the same sense as Targ uses it in his own writing. Juan Riley (talk) 23:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
@Brian I see you have made you changes without further discussion. Can I ask if you saw that in the lead the full name and acronym had already been given, i.e., "He joined Stanford Research Institute (SRI, now SRI International)..." ? Juan Riley (talk) 22:59, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

It would be nice to have feedback from others on this (perhaps minor) issue. It is no surprise that virtually every publication by Targ and Puthoff that I have looked at use on first occurrence in the text Stanford Research Institute (SRI) and thereafter use only the acronym SRI. This is quite standard practice in at least technical publications. This article did the same with the acronym given in the lead. Not sure if BrianJosephson saw the place in the lead where the acronym is given. If he did not...well then it may just be an oversight. After his edits, what is used to refer to SRI in what section is rather capricious. However I do not just wish to run roughshod over his edits. Juan Riley (talk) 00:26, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

I see SRI used as a convenience acronym that helps readers easily identify the place without having to read a long phrase. To me, "the Institute" doesn't accomplish the same goal because it isn't immediately recognisable as referring to SRI. I've edited the early career section to keep the first full wikilinked mention of SRI, added SRI as a convenience acronym there, and changed "the Institute" to SRI. --Ca2james (talk) 03:32, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I guess no form of wording can be totally free from objections, and I'm happy to leave the wording in its present form. --Brian Josephson (talk) 08:09, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
But I'm not at all convinced that these latest changes (re how SRI is described) are good ones. What do people (e.g. Ca2james) think? --Brian Josephson (talk) 21:49, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Did you read my discussion that SRI the acronym is handled in this WP article the exact same way it is handled in publications by Targ and Putoff? Juan Riley (talk) 21:53, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
What do you mean by "how SRI is described?" --Ca2james (talk) 21:55, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

General comment

I'm not following the general discussion at this point, but looking at the article it looks like this has come together very nicely. Nice work. Formerly 98 (talk) 01:05, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it has improved greatly. I doubt Targ likes it any better, though, other than that the word "pseudoscience" no longer appears in the thumbnail on Google Guy (Help!) 16:36, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

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