Ryan Cohen's Twitter bio now reads: "she/her/hers." This could suggest that Ryan Cohen's pronouns are she/her/hers. However, it is also possible that it may have another meaning.
Given the ambiguity, I wanted to open up a discussion to see if anyone has more context or thoughts on whether there should be an update the pronouns in Ryan Cohen's Wikipedia article.
RouterIncident (talk) 16:05, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. Apparently there is a Twitter account, purporting to be that of Ryan Cohen, that says "She/her". This is resulting in IP editors changing the entire to reflect "she/her".
- There are a couple problems:
- Twitter is notoriously unreliable. The account might not be controlled by Ryan Cohen ie. by a disgruntled employee, family member, hackers, fake account
- It might be a joke by Ryan
- It's a primary source and only a single source. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Why are there no other sources that discuss the fairly major news that the CEO of GameStop is going by she/her? It makes no sense.
- There is no history of Ryan going by she/her or having any tendencies
- Given the history of shenanigans that go on around GameStop, and Ryan, particularly with stock manipulation, we need to treat this with a great deal of caution.
- In summary: Wait for better secondary reliable sources.
- -- GreenC 16:00, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hello,
- "This account might not be controlled by Ryan Cohen" - It's his official account and I doubt a bad actor would not leave any damaging tweets if they are disgrunted
- "It might be a joke" - What exactly is a joke in changing pronouns?
- "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - I don't see how pronouns are extraordinary. Also, I've never in my life seen a news article entirely dedicated to someone changing their pronouns, especially if that person isn't very famous or just an investor. With Ava Kris Tyson, which is definitely a more famous person, I've only seen news report once she talked about being gender non-conforming and when she shared transition timeline pictures. However, even with her, when she changed her pronouns to "any" or in the end "she/her" I did not see any articles about that. Quirkykoala (talk) 18:10, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like you should have no problem demonstrating there are reliable secondary sources. When you find some, please post them here. -- GreenC 19:05, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- For now, while we wait for a secondary source, does it not make sense to make the article gender neutral (either just "Cohen" or they/them) to make sure there is given neutrality to the subject? Quirkykoala (talk) 19:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- does it not make sense. What makes sense is reliable secondary sources. It is independent confirmation they want to be called he/she, everywhere including not only Twitter. There is too much ambiguity for us to change anything on Wikipedia yet. -- GreenC 22:10, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Profile Picture is now updated as well as female we can safely edit it. 76.184.232.154 (talk) 00:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is readily apparent from Ryan Cohen's recent twitter that this topic is some attempt to troll, and completely unserious Bleaf1 (talk) 02:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Even if it is, wouldn't it set a dangerous precedent to not take someone seriously when they come out with something so personal and vulnerable? 84.217.210.209 (talk) 13:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Didn't he tweet "TRUMP 2024" only a couple of weeks ago? This seems more like a lame attempt at trolling than a serious change in gender identity. 2800:BF0:1E:16D5:B5D0:254D:5D13:FF91 (talk) 17:28, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia requires reliable sources. As soon as they take it seriously, this article will do the same. The dangerous precedence would be to ignore that requirement on a BLP. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 11:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- That profile picture looks distinctly AI generated. I'd rank this as dubious and reliable secondary sources are needed for a change of such significance. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 10:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)