Talk:Shahada

IF the two words were the same, the original Shahada would've stated "There is no Allah but Allah," but since it says otherwise, there is the CONCEPT of "GOD" and the NAME of ALLAH. The two are by NO means "identical."

The Shahada linguistically (logically AND literally) actually states:

There is no god (1=0)

BUT

Allah and Muhammad is (2=1, what Islam refers to as “SHIRK,” the Catholics call “demonic possession,” and modern science refers to as “split personality” or “multiple personality disorder)

his prophet (spokesperson.)

Saying it clearly translates as: “A demon blasphemes.”

Proper interpretation hinges upon understanding the meaning of the word "but," which separates the first part of a sentence from whatever follows, as in "That is a snake but its head is cut off from its body." In the logical analysis of "there is no god but (etc.)" we find the following logic structure: 0 but 1, or in other words, "FALSE but TRUE."

While one God includes everyone and everything, Islam excludes non-Muslims, known as “kafirs” or “infidels.” That is to say, unity includes that which excludes unity, yet that which excludes unity shall never be unity.

See MOS:ALLAH. It is Wikipedia's house style to write 'God'. - MrOllie (talk) 00:33, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Please glance for a single moment at the article you're messing with the link to (God in Islam). If you keep messing with it, the article will just be locked. Remsense 🌈 论 05:05, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

why do u have a say in an article about a topic u know nothing about? 78.168.122.244 (talk) 05:24, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

That's ostensibly the point, that it doesn't matter what background you or I have or don't have, because we care about sources and community consensus, of which the aforementioned style guideline is an example (MOS:ALLAH). No one should have to trust internet strangers, period. If you refuse to even consider engaging with said consensus or the reasons for it and continue trying to unilaterally impose your own ideal, that just means we have to lock the article, I'm afraid. Wikipedia works based on consensus. Remsense 🌈 论 05:27, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

i'm telling u that i speak arabic and english at a native level. i'm also a muslim. i expect u to explain how u came to the conclusion that the word Allah is a "type" rather than a "name". 78.168.122.244 (talk) 05:29, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

if u don't have a reasonable explanation, i'll keep editing the article to make it "correct". i don't care if u lock the article, blatantly refusing what's right only diminishes u... 78.168.122.244 (talk) 05:34, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

Not much we can do with people who assume we are completely wrong from the first moment, all we can do is protect the encyclopedia from damage. We'd prefer a bit of engagement attempting to understand instead, of course. Remsense 🌈 论 05:39, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

I asked you to glance for just a second at God in Islam, maybe also our article just for the word in question, Allah. If you're going to force me to go through the steps myself—then I hope you are genuinely going to listen. Here's the rationale: if one speaks Arabic, the name referring to the one God is Allah, regardless of whether one is a Muslim, Jew, Christian, Bahá'í, etc. I understand Islam has a very special relationship with the specifics of the Arabic language, but among other reasons it is considered quite misleading to non-Muslims, giving the impression that Muslim worship a different God than Christians or Jews do. Remsense 🌈 论 05:37, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

muslims already worship a different god than jews and christians. also, in arabic, the word for god is ilāh ( اِلَهْ ). allah ( اَللّٰه ) is the name of the muslim god. 78.168.122.244 (talk) 05:57, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

That is not how the Quran understands the matter. I will try to explain further, but only if you are willing to listen. If you aren't, there's nothing else I can do for you. Remsense 🌈 论 05:59, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

i am listening u 78.168.122.244 (talk) 06:02, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

The position of the Quran according to everything I've read (including the text itself) is that peoples of the book worship the same God, but do so in error. Remsense 🌈 论 06:03, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

And they say: The Beneficent hath taken unto Himself a son.

Assuredly ye Utter a disastrous thing,

Whereby almost the heavens are torn, and the earth is split asunder and the mountains fall in ruins,

That ye ascribe unto the Beneficent a son,

When it is not meet for (the Majesty of) the Beneficent that He should choose a son.

surah al-maryam 88-92

if followers of religion X believe that god A has a son, and followers of religion Y believe that god B does not have a son:

god A ≠ god B 78.168.122.244 (talk) 06:17, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

As I said, the Quran understands the Christians to be in severe error about the nature of God, but they follow God inspired by someone who was a true missionary of God, and possess a imperfect but originally authentic revelation previously handed down from God. This is not my position, but the mainstream Muslim position.

This is not a general discussion forum, so I cannot spend much more time trying to clarify these (off-topic to the shahada) points to you. But I hope you took my attempt in good faith, and I hope you choose to refrain from further unilateral imposition on the encyclopedia against our consensus. Remsense 🌈 论 06:22, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

• This isn't about theology, it's about English grammar. "God" with a capital G is a proper name - the name of a specific thing. "god" with a lower case g is a common name - the name of a type or category of things. In English, there are many gods but God is the name of a specific entity. They are different words. That is why "god" is a correct English translation of إله (ʾIlāh) but the translation of الله (Allah) is "God". So, god and God mean different things in English. That's the basis of MOS:ALLAH. DeCausa (talk) 07:25, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

  (I do think it's meaningfully about ontology, not just semantics.) Remsense 🌈 论 07:29, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

  I'm sure it is but that's nothing to do with MOS:ALLAH - ontology would be way above the pay grade of the Manual of Style! DeCausa (talk) 07:36, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

  Yes and no. I do enjoy the slightly subtle distinctions between a blue-green, a diode–transistor logic, and an Austria-Hungary. Remsense 🌈 论 07:44, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

@Vice regent: You have stated that I need to get some consensus for my edits. Taking this page as an example, I fail to see where I am not doing this. JorgeLaArdilla (talk) 16:04, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Those edits look good to me. What is the disagreement? Is that not a standard way of linking to Quran verses? A5 (talk) 19:36, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I have noticed that the transliterations aren't accurate as per Tajwid (diacritic) rules and Qur'anic punctuation. (دٌ رَ) should be dur and not dan. The (أَنْ لَا) nun in the elongated version is also silent. The last letter in the Shahada or any verse for that matter also loses it's vowel and hence, not pronounced. Kamikazechaser (talk) 18:56, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

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salam) may i add link in shahada where is word " god"? ...there is no god but God... ZikrMan (talk) 13:51, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Why is there no transliteration? That seems something basic for a fundamental of Islam. Metallurgist (talk) 01:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

This section is very sparse. Photographic examples would greatly improve. 2601:602:9801:A7F0:2D4D:8187:87AC:1FB2 (talk) 10:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

As the title says. 155.42.98.131 (talk) 03:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Please don't change the template from "Islam" to "God in Islam" without gaining consensus agreement here. Please read WP:BRD. You could be blocked for edit warring if you continue. 22:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC) DeCausa (talk) 22:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)